i see how much time people are spending watching net flicks or food network, and they're on their screens. They're not only having paris social relationships, but all life seems to me more vicarious than it used to be. I feel like so much of life is not going out for the walk yourself and seeing nature, but instead watching a nature documentary. And i hope that's not what this podcast becomes: Instead of actually having a conversation with an actual friend, i'll just listen, steven and angela have a conversation with each other.