There's been no scientific research that's really looked at the impact on the microbes or the fungi. So a lot of insects, for example, will have part of their life cycle in the soil under the surface of the grass. Rob: I don't think there's any need to have a lawn that is comprised mainly of grass as we've had for hundreds of years. You want more chaotic, complex, wild sort of habitats really in the green space that we have. Do you think it ever could just be outright banned? We're trying to get some collaborative research going.

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