Lotus Notes: The Backbone of IBM

IBM still let us open source everything. In fact, they actually just sent over like, like a hundred engineers to do some multi cloud management stuff that is going to take some some of their technology and combine it with ours. So I mean, yeah, there is a little bit of like, the red hat way is dictating some of this stuff. But nobody in red hat has to use Lotus notes. You haven't been forced to install Lotus notes. We do have to use Webex. It's not notes. IBM has all these crazy applications that basically are Lotus notes,. Applications that are provide various like finance and all this other stuff. "I never loved email," he says