Former CIA officers Mick Mulroy, Marc Polymeropoulos, and Jason Lyons join Dee to explore a chilling hypothetical — what if the U.S. turned authoritarian? The panel breaks down how allies and adversaries might react, how intelligence operations would shift, and what it means for democracy at home and abroad. A rare, insider look at the intersection of espionage and authoritarianism.
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00:01 — Start
03:48 — Thought experiment: U.S. turns authoritarian
05:29 — Global authoritarianism by the numbers
12:19 — Autocracies’ intel edge (disinfo/social media)
15:23 — Russia 2016 playbook & U.S. CI gaps
28:38 — Allies spying on America as norms erode
42:54 — What Canada/Mexico would do next
53:51 — Freedom House checklist: signs of backsliding
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