Jordan Harbinger: How much does it cost to have, I don't know, a fishing boat, an oil tank or stuck in a port for a day that should already be gone with its load? Ian Urbina: Maybe you've stayed in an Airbnb before and thought to yourself, hey, if this seems pretty doable, maybe my place could be an Airbnb. This episode is sponsored in part by Microsoft clarity. If you want to develop a great product to dive deep into how your product is being experienced, Microsoft clarity is amazing.

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