A rudi juliani is there at some point. General michael flynn, who was convicted of lying to the fbi, had only been recently pardoned by trump. Sidney powell, a lawyer who has espoused conspiracy theories so fringy that her own lawyer has disavowed them in court records. And they are discussing with the president what is really clearly an extra legal plan of getting his department of defense to seize voting machines. pat sipelone is telling the president, this is a terrible idea.