I don't understand why instead of seeing the tension between left and right as something necessary to democracy, having different ideas coexisting on place, that used to be healthy. And now we're seeing people with different views as the enemy. I wondered if that was normal through history, because the differences in ideology don't seem greater now than they did in the past. They just maybe seem smaller. If you think about the 60s, so the big arguments in the 60s about civil rights, about the sexual revolution, about the cold war, the Vietnam War, they're much bigger in many ways or much more consequential than what people are arguing about right now.

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