Speaker 2
Yeah, and I think it's interesting, at least before the pandemic, you'd often ask people how are they doing and the answer is always some form of I'm really busy and this kind of fetuses Jason with being overly busy. I think the idea that you have kind of given people an excuse to not want to be busy and that slowing down is actually and giving yourself the time and obviously having the privilege to have that time, which you mentioned in the book too, that time can often be a privilege as well. But you say a little bit more about our personal time and the way that we think about it that way.
Speaker 1
So in that same chapter where I talk about the increasing personal efficiency book with the amazing weather map and the productivity bros, something that I found very useful in writing that and that's mentioned in the chapter is this, there's a paper by the sociologist Hartman Rosa where he describes a hypothetical character named Linda and Linda is like a, she's a university professor, she's very busy, she's always, she's described, she's running around, she doesn't have enough time for her students, she doesn't have enough time for her colleagues, she doesn't have enough time to make dinner, go to the gym and she just feels like a failure because she's always running out of time. And then, and he says like the only way that she would experience like peace is if she went to a cabin with no reception. And I was like reading this and feel it. And then he says, isn't this all kind of her fault though? Like didn't she bring this on herself? And I felt like so attacked by this because I was like, I'm Linda. So like I kind of like use that to like make this distinction between like Linda's and non-Linda's but then there's like a gray area. But I think it's a really, I think that's kind of what people were trying to get at. Like when they were responding to how did you know, I think there's a difference between someone who truly has no control over their time and someone who feels like they have no time. And again, I realize like there is a gray area but like the, you know, for someone who actually structurally doesn't have control over their time, like the answer does not lie with them using their time better. As the working mom admin, like it's telling me. But then there's like another situation where you just have someone who's deeply internalized that like busyness is good and that like more, like you just need more all the time you always need to be getting more, more friends, more achievements, like more, you know. And that Linda character like needs to just chill. Like basically.
Speaker 2
Go to the cabin.
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, I think I say like experiment with what feels like mediocrity. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.