This week Eric Fisher talks with Michelle Seager, the author of The Joy Choice about how to achieve lasting changes in eating and exercise. In this conversation we're going to dive deeper into her research, her methodology and her book but especially her perspective on habits specifically. Why they don't work for some people or better said how to get them to work for people that they don't normally work for. What's the secret to that? Well you'll have to listen to find out.

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