So much of what's pleasurable and fun, we're just talking run don't a meaningwhen i'ma sheer pleasure. I'll never forget, from an early age, my dad always used to say, you know, you need the pain to be able to really appreciate the pleasure. Only something an adult, a grown adult, would know when youve been through enough. And for me, the best illustration of a sort of contour of pleasure comes from movies. The success is only sweet in lightef to prior suffering.

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