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In this fascinating interview, Dr. Tim Scarfe speaks with renowned philosopher Daniel Dennett about the potential dangers of AI and the concept of "Counterfeit People." Dennett raises concerns about AI being used to create artificial colleagues, and argues that preventing counterfeit AI individuals is crucial for societal trust and security.

They delve into Dennett's "Two Black Boxes" thought experiment, the Chinese Room Argument by John Searle, and discuss the implications of AI in terms of reversibility, reontologisation, and realism. Dr. Scarfe and Dennett also examine adversarial LLMs, mental trajectories, and the emergence of consciousness and semanticity in AI systems.

Throughout the conversation, they touch upon various philosophical perspectives, including Gilbert Ryle's Ghost in the Machine, Chomsky's work, and the importance of competition in academia. Dennett concludes by highlighting the need for legal and technological barriers to protect against the dangers of counterfeit AI creations.

Join Dr. Tim Scarfe and Daniel Dennett in this thought-provoking discussion about the future of AI and the potential challenges we face in preserving our civilization. Don't miss this insightful conversation!

TOC:

00:00:00 Intro

00:09:56 Main show kick off

00:12:04 Counterfeit People

00:16:03 Reversibility

00:20:55 Reontologisation

00:24:43 Realism

00:27:48 Adversarial LLMs are out to get us

00:32:34 Exploring mental trajectories and Chomsky

00:38:53 Gilbert Ryle and Ghost in machine and competition in academia

00:44:32 2 Black boxes thought experiment / intentional stance

01:00:11 Chinese room

01:04:49 Singularitarianism

01:07:22 Emergence of consciousness and semanticity

References:

Tree of Thoughts: Deliberate Problem Solving with Large Language Models

https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.10601

The Problem With Counterfeit People (Daniel Dennett)

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/05/problem-counterfeit-people/674075/

The knowledge argument

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_argument

The Intentional Stance

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271180035_The_Intentional_Stance

Two Black Boxes: a Fable (Daniel Dennett)

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/28762339_Two_Black_Boxes_a_Fable

The Chinese Room Argument (John Searle)

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/chinese-room/

https://web-archive.southampton.ac.uk/cogprints.org/7150/1/10.1.1.83.5248.pdf

From Bacteria to Bach and Back: The Evolution of Minds (Daniel Dennett)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bacteria-Bach-Back-Evolution-Minds/dp/014197804X

Consciousness Explained (Daniel Dennett)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Consciousness-Explained-Penguin-Science-Dennett/dp/0140128670/

The Mind's I: Fantasies and Reflections on Self and Soul (Hofstadter, Douglas R; Dennett, Daniel C.)

https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31494476184

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