Alana from rochester, new york called in to talk about how she's trying to use less physical items. A ryan and i will often say that minimalism is a trojan horse for us to talk about so many other things. We we sneak in the door by talking about de cluttering or letting go of material possessions. But then when you start dealing with that excess clutter physically, you start looking internally. And there's this albumb whatever the weather, and the whole album, every song title, we're goin to listen to a little snip it here. Thoughed casan. This song is called 25 degrees celsius. Every song has a

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