Mussolini and fascism's socialist roots

Join Malcolm and Simone Collins as they dive deep into the provocative question: “Has real fascism ever been tried?” In this thought-provoking episode, Malcolm explores the historical and ideological roots of fascism, socialism, and their intersections with modern political movements. The discussion challenges conventional narratives about left and right-wing ideologies, examining how terms like “fascism” and “socialism” have been redefined over time.

The conversation covers:

* The origins and definitions of fascism and socialism

* How historical figures like Mussolini and Hitler viewed their own movements

* The role of collectivism, authoritarianism, and racial/ethnic narratives in shaping ideologies

* Parallels between past and present political rhetoric

* The influence of institutions, religion, and education on political identity

* The dangers of labeling and the importance of questioning mainstream narratives

Whether you agree or disagree, this episode encourages critical thinking and a deeper look at the history and language of political ideologies. Perfect for viewers interested in history, politics, and challenging the status quo.

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Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. I am excited to be here with you today. Today we are gonna be exploring a chain of logic that I jumped into based on a, a simple joke that caught my mind as I was walking around, which is real fascism has never been tried. And this joke came to me because I was thinking about the, oh, you know, real communism has never been tried.

But as I started to follow this to its conclusion, what I came to realize, and we’ve talked about this before on this podcast, but I think through chasing this chain of logic, you can see it more completely okay. That the modern left is not only. Just fascist, like, like they are definitionally more fascist by the original definition of fascism when it was created than either the Nazis or Mussolini was.

Mm-hmm. But so, so not only are they, are they more fascist, but the, there was a sort of [00:01:00] dedicated campaign to rebrand fascism as something other than socialism. All social, all fascism is what I’m gonna be arguing in. This is what we in modern times call socialism with ethnic overtones ethnic class struggle, overtones.

And I will note here that people will be like, well, it’s, it’s, it’s nationalistic ethnic overtones. And it’s like, not really. The fascist movement was Pan National to an extent. And one of the, one of the really interesting things is whenever I. We’ll talk to, like, I’ll try to engage in AI on this topic or something like that.

And I’ll say, you know, in what way was fascism, not just socialism, right? And they’ll say, well, fascism contained a lot of far right elements and. I’ll be like, name one, and this is the thing. It’s not like it was socialism mixed with far right elements. It [00:02:00] literally has not a single right wing element as a component of it unless you say that racism is right wing.

Only when it’s practiced by white people, which is a racist comment in and of itself. So what I, what I’ll mean here is it will say like, oh, it was right wing through things like antisemitism. And yet, and we’ll go into the data on this. The original thinkers of the the Marxist and socialist movement were far more explicitly anti-Semitic than literally, I think the, the least anti-Semitic of the socialist founding fathers was more anti-Semitic than the most anti-Semitic of America’s founding father.

Dramatic margin. So, so one, it is a explicitly anti-Semitic in its roots, modern leftism. But even today, if you look at anti-Jewish hate crimes, they are far more committed by leftists than they are by righteous. So [00:03:00] to say that Nazis were right in their form of socialism because it was anti-emetic, is frankly common.

So let’s go into this. Fascism’s classification is a distinct ideology, particularly the far right. Part of it. Yeah. It was a post hoc academic construction, largely driven by left-leaning scholars in the mid 20th century to rehabilitate socialism’s image after World War II by severing fascism from its socialist roots and rebranding.

It obscured the shared collectivist state interventionists and anti-capitalist elements between the two, allowing socialism to be portrayed as inherently progressive and egalitarian while fascism was demonized. Its reactionary, and so when you ask. You know, go into AI and you say, what’s the difference between fascism and socialism?

It will give you five core points. And so this is, this is what we’re gonna be looking at here. Right.

Simone Collins: Okay. Okay. I’m, I never thought to ask this. You’re, you’re kind of blowing my mind because all of the socialist YouTubers that I follow are [00:04:00] constantly calling MAGA fascist. I was just watching another video this morning where that happened.

So like what? Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So it, it’s, it’s, it is both a what. But also a very obvious thing, right? Like,

Simone Collins: okay, when you

Malcolm Collins: dig down into it. And by the way, if you haven’t seen our video on Starship Troopers that we use to explore fascism as a concept much more, I strongly suggest you watch it. It’s one of the best we’ve ever made.

But anyway, to continue here it has an authoritarian structure. A single leader or party with absolute power, often portraying themselves as the embodiment of a nation’s will opposition is crushed via secret police censorship, and violence. Now. You could say, does this mirror modern socialism? So who is the face of modern socialism?

You’re looking at Hassan Piker, right? Like I, I think it’d be hard to argue that somebody else is the face of modern socialism. He is the number one left-leaning streamer. Okay. So Hassan Piker recently did a trip to the CCP where he went on and on good China. How great the CCP [00:05:00] was, so, and how much better the CCP was than the United States.

So note here, the United States. Is a capitalist democracy, maybe an imperfect democracy, but it is a democracy. He said that the CCP in contrast was a much better way to structure a government. So let’s see if that fits. Criteria one. A single leader or party with absolute power often portraying themselves as the embodiment of a nation’s will opposition is crushed via secret police censorship, and violence.

That is exactly fascism. It’s not related to fascism. Along this differentiating point it is. Exactly fascism. In addition to the using authoritarian technocratic, controlled hierarchical governments, ruled by unelected officials to crush free speech, is that not what we see actively going on in the UK right now, which is much more left wing than the United States?

Is unelected officials very frequently implementing extremely draconian legal [00:06:00] restrictions where, for example, somebody was arrested. For writing simply on their wall. Islam can be questioned. And this is something I’ll get to deeper here. Obviously you wouldn’t be arrested if you had wrote, Christianity can be questioned.

Obviously you wouldn’t be arrested if you had written. Judaism can be questioned, right? So the other thing I’ll write here is they’ll say, well, it’s an egalitarian. Belief system. And I’ll point out that no, when you look at the de colonialist mindset, what you actually see is a very explicit racialist agenda that, that highly mirrors.

The Racialist agenda we saw was in Nazism. So to continue here. Unitarianism and often racism. So they’ll say the nation or the ethnic group is exalted as superior with myths of historical greatness. Or victimhood used to justify expansionism and exclusion. So hold, hold, hold, hold, hold on here. Here. Myth of a victimhood.

And I think that this is really important because it requires understanding the way that Nazism was actually structured. [00:07:00] Okay. Nazim. When it explained to its people, because we have a lot of writings on this, this isn’t like a mystery how Hitler got people angry at the Jews. Right, right. Yeah. He said the Jews control a disproportionate amount of wealth.

They have historically oppressed us. Look at them sabotaging us in our wars and stuff like that, and they have. Permanently made the German people an underclass through systemic discrimination. This is the exact argument that is being used by the modern leftist movement, but it’s worse than that. If you look at the modern leftist movement, much more so than class struggle, as a phenomenon, or as something that’s talked about.

What they talk about is, and we go into this a lot in the episode we did on Zohan Mandani, another one I strongly recommend we watch, where we go over the colonialist de colonialist mindset that his father lays out in a number of his books, which are, are, are [00:08:00] very interesting. And essentially. He separates the world into two groups.

One group is the United States and Europe and the Jews. Mm-hmm. And this group had, you know, historic economic power and winter round and colonized various regions of the world. And through that colonization firm, permanently made anyone who was from one of these regions. An underclass in a way that they cannot escape without a violent overthrow and restructuring of the system, which we’ll get to in a second.

Mm. Okay. And this, this can make sense if you’re viewing the world like they do. So you’re like, okay. Why are certain groups , not able to achieve economic prosperity when there are no cultural or genetic differences between groups? Because modern leftism takes this as the truism.

Mm-hmm. And so it says, if, if, if that is the case, then how is it true that, that some groups ended up [00:09:00] with more power than other groups. Right. Well, it must have come from this period of colonialization. And we’ll do a separate video on this because I think the very interesting concept and topic, but one of the things we point out is we can know factually, this isn’t the case.

How can you know that factually. Some groups doing poorly is not due to colonialism. Well, it’s very easy. All you have to do is go region by region and ask yourself a question. Do the countries that were colonized share more in common with other countries that were colonized under similar economic systems?

Or do they share more in common with cultures that are ethnically and culturally and genetically similar to them. So I’ll explain what I mean by that. Okay. Are the regions in East Asia or Latin America that were colonized, or India, like South Asia that were colonized, are they [00:10:00] closer to colonized regions across the globe?

Right. Or are they closer? To un colonized regions nearby them. And the answer is very obvious. For example, Ethiopia was never a colonized country, and yet it is much closer in terms of economic development, in terms of its existing challenges and political challenges to the colonized countries within Africa.

Then either is to either the un colonized or colonized countries in East Asia, which are both much closer to each other. Also if you look across colonized countries, the Latin American colonized countries are much closer to each other than they are to either the colonized or un colonized parts of Africa or.

The Middle East or East Asia the, the duration to which a country was colonized actually does not correlate that much with their existing

but through, [00:11:00] through that, we can tell that that that colonization. As a structure is not the core source of the existing economic disparities, but if you build a world framework around that, then what you can build is a world, a racialist world framework where all of the quote unquote colonized people can come together.

To defeat the colonizers. Right. Often through overthrows or everything like that. Yeah. There is the people who’ve been stolen from versus the people who do the stealing. Right? Yeah. And, and it is a, a racialist mindset that almost precisely mirrors the mindset of the Nazis or of Mussolini’s party. But, but even more so than Nazis.

It’s very similar to Nazi ideology, but there’s a second. What I’ve always found humorous thing about the colonizer mindset is it is explicitly ahistorical when they talk about the colonizer people, right? Like one of the groups that they will always include today among the colonized groups is Hispanics, [00:12:00] right?

The problem is, is Hispanics are like literally no less a colonizer than the Americans or the Canadians.

Simone Collins: Y yeah. Yeah. That’s, that’s, that’s, that’s funny. It’s true. Most

Malcolm Collins: countries are literally made up of populations that migrated predominantly for Europe and then mixed with Native American and slaves who they own which most countries are very, the same people always wonder, they’re like, Malcolm, why do you say that America and.

Latin America are culturally so similar. I’m like both countries made up of European immigrants that had slaves and interbred with natives. There might have been a like 20% higher rate of interbreeding with the Latin American, but that’s not enough to create a fundamentally different culture. The thing that differentiates Latin American and American culture predominantly is just Catholicism.

Simone Collins: Yeah, I was gonna say that. It’s just Catholicism.

Malcolm Collins: It’s just Catholicism. And people know my thoughts on Catholicism in Catholic countries and everything like that. So they can be like, okay, okay, well [00:13:00] that explains why. But the point I’m making here, the point I’m making here is and, and then this also explains, we go into this, this episode, but I, I wanna go into it a little here.

Why they think that they have a mandate to screw over. Systems that they see as paid into by colonizer ethnic groups. Like, you know, there’s been the recent thing where all the Somalians have been cheating. I think it was around half a billion dollars out of Minnesota by claiming to have autistic children and then sending it to terrorist groups is, is a miss terrorist.

Groups that are, you know, out, out there committing genocides you know, using your taxpayer dollars and stealing from autistic children. But what, like, how do they, how does this make sense to them? It’s like a moral thing to do and it makes sense. It’s a moral thing to do because no matter how much damage or how much suffering or how much death they cause to a colonizer people, until the system has been inverted, that is ethical.

And, and this, this, this systemic inversion also really mirrors. Nazi ideology. There’s this group that used to be at the top and then they inverted. And I love, whenever I bring [00:14:00] this up with GBT, it’s like, well, hold on here. It’ll say something like, but the Nazi ideology, you know, was based on a myth that one group had power.

But if you look at the United States, blacks really do earn less than whites. And I was like, it was not based on a myth. Jews really did earn more than S in pre Nazi Germany. This is well documented and was well attested as one of the reasons they wanted to target them. The logic mirrors exactly, but to continue here.

What’s the next thing? Militarism and anti passivism society is organized around military values. Whi war glorified as a means to national rejuvenation. The problem is, if you listen to Hassan Piker, if you listen to leading socialist figures today, militarism is heavily glorified. You will see Hassan Piker literally will interview and glaze a.

A who, what was that? [00:15:00] Hhy Pirate, for example.

Simone Collins: Oh, oh yeah. They,

Malcolm Collins: they will, this is somebody who kills and, and grapes, innocent people. Right? Like, I forgot about that. That was, yeah. Huh. The, the, he will literally refuse to condemn in many, many, you know, I think praise he’ll, praise Hezbollah, he’ll praise other terrorist organizations that act with extreme violence.

He even said the Hezbollah flag was his favorite flag because it had an AK. Gun on it, right? Literally, he’s saying his favorite flag is his favorite flag because it has a weapon of math death on it. This is modern socialism, and what we’ll be going in here in a bit is to point out that this isn’t just modern socialism.

This was socialism. If you go back to the academics who created the very concept of socialism, they also said similar things. The only place where you don’t get. This is where socialism existed within Western Academia and had to tone. Its, its, its ideology down. But socialism has always been militaristic [00:16:00] in implementation historically.

Simone Collins: Hmm. And,

Malcolm Collins: and we’re also gonna go into where socialism was implemented and point out to that. In many cases, it led to much and more deaths than fascist implementation. So then you have anti egalitarianism which is to say rejects class struggle now. This is really interesting because modern socialism and historic socialism in many ways is actually anti class struggle.

So look at somebody like Hassan, who’s, you know, constantly asking for donations from his subscribers despite being born into immense wealth, despite having immense wealth, despite never doing any major social donations himself, right? Like, how, how does this ethically make sense? If you actually believe in a class struggle and we’re dedicated to resolving it, right?

How? How does this ideology make sense? How does an ideology where a and, and the way you make it make sense is with the colonialist? Mindset, the colonialist, post colonialist mindset right now, all of a sudden it makes sense. You can say, well, it was never [00:17:00] really about class struggle. When we said class struggle, that was a euphemism for ethnic struggle, which by the way, Hitler and Mussolini also did what they said is, what we have always thought historically was a class struggle, was really an ethnic struggle.

Right? And so. The way, and you can be like, well, how do they make this ethnic struggle work? Right? Because this is what modern socialism has rebranded itself as a colonialist, post-colonial is to say, well, you whites can join the ranks of the dispossessed and oppressed by self-identifying as an oppressed category.

Right. You know, whether it’s that you’re a demisexual or you’re asexual or you know, you’re, you are your partner happens to be a demisexual. Well now you’re not dating a straight person, so now you’re, you are gay or bisexual or, you know, they, they, we’ve pointed this out in other episodes, but basically they created a.

Systematology where anyone [00:18:00] could identify through costly signaling in the beginning and now non costly signaling as an oppressed class and expect to get their just reward when the society is reordered in their favor. Mm-hmm. Which is an, an interesting differentiation from historic fascism, but it’s not a particularly significant differentiation when you consider that for the highest rank of this sort of reclassification that a, a white person can undergo as a dispossessed group.

They, they have to sterilize themselves. So yes, I, as a white people person can, you know, go trans. Join in the ranks of the dispossessed. But as a white person to be considered an equal among them, I have to be sterilized, which has a lot of mirrored ideological beliefs to historic nazim. And if you’re like, oh, people are born trans, blah, blah, blah, this isn’t really the same thing.

I point out there was a study of gender ness and [00:19:00] gender noted use that came out in 2024, I wanna say. And it showed that nine out of 10 use at the age of 13. Who identify with another gender. Over, over nine of 10 of them identify with their birth gender by the time they’re, I think it’s 23 or 24.

So, so no, it it, it’s not a persistent thing. It’s only, yeah. It’s just that adolescent

Simone Collins: sucks.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. No, yeah. It’s only really persistent in, in any study group that I’ve seen. Once a person is being affirmed by their community, which of course it would be persistent then because it’s incredibly costly to go back on it but that doesn’t really prove that it’s a persistent.

Right sexuality. It proves that once somebody makes an extremely costly choice and will now be shamed for their community, as we’ve seen from Detransition, they become incredibly shamed by the trans community. We actually have a friend who det transitioned and have to leave acting entirely. They didn’t even do it at the political stance.

They just tried to detransition and they treated it like cults do, like leaving a Jehovah’s Witness or something like that. Like, oh you know, now. Every one of us will refuse to talk to you. We’ll refuse to hire you, [00:20:00] we’ll refuse to give you gigs. And, and this is well-documented behavior anyone can look at this for, for detransition.

And it’s like saying, well, very few people leave Scientology, therefore they’re born Scientologists. Very few people leave Jehovah’s Witnesses, therefore they’re born. Yeah, no practicing cult like tactics. You have to expect cult-like retention patterns once somebody is opted into it. But fortunately we have these studies like the one I just mentioned for when it’s not being affirmed and it.

Almost always desist, which is crazy. Mm. In, in the modern research we have, but to continue here, finally the, the economic approach, which again, is, is socialist, but let’s, let’s go into the, the founding fathers of each of these systems, by the way, any thoughts, Simone, before I go further?

Simone Collins: No, this is really helpful, and it’s not that I was acting on this, but I really did dispel, or I, I, I just assumed that.

The right would must be fascist if everyone was calling the right fascist. And it’s really clear that, well, I

Malcolm Collins: think that the other weird thing is you have this ideology or this belief that [00:21:00] Okay. You know, historically during the Cold War, there were three groups, right? There was the communists.

There was the fascist. Mm-hmm. And there was the capitalist. Mm-hmm. Right. And those were the three core factions. And then you’ve gotta ask yourself, wait a second, capitalism and communism. I can describe in like a sentence, but the moment I attempt to describe fascism. I am left with tons and tons of caveats, and almost every one of those caveats is meant to specifically carve out left-wing ideology from being described as fascist.

And that’s when I begin to be like, okay, this is getting ridiculous. And then I actually look at it and I’m like, wait, is it actually better to think of. The World War II period as three factions, the capitalists, the socialists, and the communists. And, and this is the other thing about fascism. Look around the world today for the fascists.

Where are the fascists? Right? Like presumably it was this giant, really big [00:22:00] ideology. I can point to cap capitalists and communists today. Apparently communism completely failed, yet there’s still lots of them. Where are the real fascists? And then you can be like, oh, well MAGA is fascist. And I’m like, in what?

Conceivable way. In their economic structure, in their, their globalist, no, like Trump is constantly trying to end wars. Right. Like in their, their, so what they

Simone Collins: say, because you’re, you’re actually, I mean, unless you’re rhetorically asking is they often refer to the. I guess more aesthetically totalitarian elements of the Trump administration, such as ice agents arresting people, I mean, like us actually enforcing our laws.

They, they view that as. They call that fascist,

Malcolm Collins: which is ironically a fascist accusation. Because what they expect is for laws to be, remember how I said in their ideology there is two ethnic classes? Mm-hmm. And the two ethnic classes are deserving of different levels of human [00:23:00] dignity, different treatment under the law, et cetera.

You have the, the, the. Colonized and the colonizer uhhuh. And when they see the colonized groups having the laws applied to them, that they would apply to the colonizer groups without thinking, I mean, look at the white South African, or refugees, right? Where. The Episcopal Church literally shut down an organization that had been running, I think for decades at, at least for a number of years that was meant to help refugees.

So they just didn’t have to help the, like 40 white refugees, right? Like they couldn’t even bite the bullet on that. When we see how bad this is and how bad it’s infected these movements, and I just have to. Remind people that same year the Catholic church also shut down their refugee program. They didn’t say what explicitly about this as African like the Episcopalians did, but I’m just pointing out know who your enemies are.

No, here I’m not saying all Catholics. I’m saying the Vatican. Was a part of the socialist regime. We’ll get to that in a second because they always have been, they were pro, pro socialists when socialism was fascism. They were pro [00:24:00] socialists when socialism was under its modern guise. It has always been the heart of, of that axis of the world, of the communist versus a socialist versus a.

The capitalist. But anyway so the, the, the point here being is that what they’re really saying is I’m mortified to see the law being carried out and to see people that I consider of this elevated ethnic status subject to the law that I was previously perfectly okay with subjecting white people to.

The colonizers too. Jews too, right? And you, you see this in the way that they have covered stuff, like the war on Gaza, et cetera. Right? You know, they’re like, oh, oh my gosh, I can’t believe you know, they’ll see this stuff happen to Jews. It’s these horrible things happen to these, you know, girls at like, this, this a peace rally, right?

Like right on the border. It’s like some big concert, right? You know, and they see these horrible acts. And then they’ll be like, oh, but look, here it is happening to a Gazen kit, right? Like, and I’m like. [00:25:00] Okay. Why aren’t you talking about the literally twice as large, like even if you’re considering this, a genocide, genocide that’s happening in Africa where blacks are being killed.

Four being blacks by Arabs. In Darford, and the answer being is because that doesn’t, that doesn’t matter to them because it’s. Colonized versus colonized. So they don’t care. The only form of violence that is relevant to them is violence that can be categorized within the colonizer colonized category, right?

Which again, mirrors this Hitler esque ideology, and you can see this across their application within social media. But to continue. Benito Mussolini fascism’s originator, like the guy who literally originated it with the black shirts, which had very similar actions to what we, a group that wears black shirts and face masks today, just like Mussolini’s original. This is what the brown shirts were named after. The Nazi ones the, the Antifa organization, right? Mm-hmm. Which is hilarious. They call themselves anti-fascist, but they are literally fascist.

It’s like the Patriot Bill. Like, like just calling it the Patriot bill doesn’t mean it’s patriotic. But anyway [00:26:00] he was a committed socialist before World War I, editing the Italian Socialist Party’s newspaper ee, so Mussolini. Literally was the editor of Italy’s socialist newspaper where he advocated for a revolutionary class struggle.

He began to reframe this class struggle as being more and more nationalistic in tone. Hmm. But he retained socialist elements like state directed economic worker product protections. In a 1914 speech, Mussolini declares quote, I am and I remain socialist. I am a socialist who believes in the war. In quote.

So this was, you know, by 1919, he founded the Fasci, Italian Comito Blending Socialism was nationalism. As one historical analysis notes, fascism as envisioned by Benito Mussolini was always a left wing political project incorporating a syndicate worker syndicates under state control [00:27:00] with socialist thought.

He didn’t begin to talk against socialism until he outlined fas fascism as something. Dinked in the doctorate of fascism. But note this was after he coined fascism at the term and founded the fascist organization. Really the only reason he did this was that sort of infighting you get between groups that are incredibly similar to each other, like the Judean People’s front skit that we talk about all the time.

Often the more closely ideologically a group are, the more interested they are in distinguishing themselves from each other. Mm-hmm.

Speaker: the only people we ate more than the Romans are the Judean people.

F*****g and the people’s front of Judea split the people’s front of Judea splitters. We are the people’s front of Judea

Malcolm Collins: you see this historically over and over and over and over again. But yeah, he, like, he literally was a dedicated socialist and he created fascism as a branding of socialism where he changed a few words to really just say socialism was different words [00:28:00] specifically.

He said that what they needed was a co corporative system. However, the corporative system mirrored social estate planning, but subordinated it to nationalist utility in terms of framing why it was needed. However, fascists were always pan nationalists when they appealed to the Japanese, when the Nazis appealed to the Italians.

When the Italians appealed to the Nazis, it was always in this pan socialist ideology. This Pan National socialist ideology, right? So let’s go to Hitler here. Adolf Hitler explicitly claimed socialist credentials while rejecting Marxist interventionism. In 1923 interview, he stated, socialism is the science of dealing with the common wheel.

Communism is not socialism. Marxism is not socialism. The Marxian have stolen the term and confused its meaning. We might have called ourselves the liberal party. We chose to call ourselves the national socialist. In a 1932 speech, Hitler elaborated whoever is prepared to make the national cause his own to such an [00:29:00] extent that he knows no higher ordeal than the welfare of the nation.

Whoever has understood our greatest national anthem, DEU and Les to mean that nothing in the wide world surpasses in his eyes, German people. Land That man is a socialist in the 25 point program. 1920 included socialist planks, like nationalizing trusts, profit sharing in industries, and expansive welfare.

As Otter Weger, a Nazi economic advisor recalled Hitler saying our aims to convert the German Vogue into a socialism without simply killing off the old individualist. So Hitler was explicitly, repeatedly, and with no uncertain terms in his own mind, attempting to create a socialist utopia.

Simone Collins: So is the key difference between today’s American socialists and the socialists of.

Italy and Germany around World War ii [00:30:00] that they loved their countries and our socialists hate their country.

Malcolm Collins: Not exactly, because you’ve gotta keep in mind how they identify the concept of country and identity. So, Hitler appealed to the German people saying, I care about, you know, you as a German vo.

Right. Like, like you, and that’s what we are fighting for in opposition mm-hmm. To other ethnic groups.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: And we are part of this pan-ethnic alliance. It is a German Vogue and the Italians and the Japanese. Right. Of other socialist people who care about their own internal ethnic group mm-hmm. But understand their ethnic groups is different from each other, but working in an alliance to overthrow who they see as the enemies, the, the capitalists and the communists.

Right. Well, and the Jews, what’s fascinating is that perfectly mirrors the modern left where the modern left they. They because they divide the world into the colonized versus the colonizer. Mm-hmm. The colonized groups. Right. They [00:31:00] still have a preference and a strong preference for their own group.

There was a great example of this in a Somalian race recently in the United States where the ironically Jewish candidate was able to win in a Somalian dominated neighborhood against a Somalian candidate by going to all the various Somalian. Factions that had blood foods against the faction that the person who was running was from, and he got them to vote for him a, a white Jewish guy over the Somalian because they still preferred their own ethnic group over other groups using people’s

Simone Collins: front of Judea tactics to your advantage.

Wow.

Malcolm Collins: Well done. If if you go, if you go to. Most black nationalist groups in the United States they explicitly hate Jewish people very explicitly, often in their charters and stuff like that. They, they, they hate Hispanic people. They hate, yeah. They often super hate trans people. They offer super gay people.[00:32:00]

They see this as a temporary alliance. In many ways, the modern leftist coalition is more ethnocentric. Then even the Nazis or the fascists of Italy or the fascists of Japan were, because they see their alliance with these other groups as temporary. Hmm. You know, if, if you go to a nation of Islam guy, right?

And you’re like, well, what’s really your long-term plan for the gays? And, you know, and they’re like, you know what our, we make it clear. I don’t, was there ever any confusion here? What’s your actual long-term plan for women? You know, there was a recent video that came out and I’ll let it here of some people in South Africa who had griped a, a woman, and they were talking about it and they, they clearly didn’t understand why what they had done was wrong.

Speaker 3: She also grabs you. You see normal crying, like, it’s like she’s enjoying it, you know? Even though she isn’t, but it’s like she’s enjoying it. Yeah. What about the consequences of what you’re doing in terms of how that affects exactly. The person that’s raped?

Speaker 4: Yeah. The consequences. We look at that all the time, you know? ‘cause it [00:33:00] happens. She might scream, you know, people might wake up. Lot of people, especially, I’m not just talking about,

Speaker 2: I’m talking about the emotional effect, the physical effect it has on the girl.

Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Sometimes we know that, uh, we might rape her and wake up tomorrow with viruses ourselves. Like HIV, you know?

Malcolm Collins: Right? Like these groups that you were bringing in. Do not care about your agenda. The alliance is temporary and ethnic to its core. And I’d like to point this out here, this idea that, because to me, the biggest thing and the biggest jump for me is Nazism didn’t have a single fascist. Right wing element in the entire ideology.

The ideology was not right wing on a single position and the only position that they can push back

Simone Collins: on. Well, couldn’t you argue that the Nazi ideology was right wing in its. Gazing toward the past and trying to return to some kind of historical ideal that was romanticized rather than practical. [00:34:00]

Malcolm Collins: Is that not what the anti colonialists are attempting to do?

They say, if we can only get to a world without the colonizers anymore, if we can only get to a world that was like our countries before the colonizers ruined everything like our states and our structures before the colonizers came, then. We will have prosperity again then, and, and you see this, you see this constantly.

Look at Mond’s speech where he is like, you know, once we overturn New York, we bring in more immigrant populations, we make that the dominant group within New York. Then the system will write itself. So in the same way, and you see similar myths. I mean, you know, the, we was Kings movement and everything like this before.

And you’ll literally hear left to say this. Before the colonizers came to America, the Native Americans were not murdering each other. They were not in constant blood feuds. They were not you, you know, scalping each other. They were not constantly genocided other groups in Africa before the, [00:35:00] the white man came.

The various tribes were not constantly genocide each other, constant blood fetes, constant that there, there was exposure.

Simone Collins: Avian buddy. Hold on. You gotta, you gotta play downstairs until we’re done.

Malcolm Collins: Sorry, where was I? Oh gosh. Oh, yes, yes. The, the, the things were utopian before the white man came which is very similar to the Nazi ideology of before the Jewish intervention, before the Jews ruined everything. And I, I, I think it’s. Just a perfect mirror ideology there. Mm-hmm. Which is really fascinating and I love that you bring that up.

Another really interesting thing is they’ll say, well, the Nazis were taking a group that was in power in Germany and, and trying to subjugate a group that was out of power. Mm-hmm. And the, the modern. Progressive movement is not attempting to do this. And I’d point out here, actually, this is factually not true.

The Nazis had very little institutional power when they took over. They didn’t control many companies. They didn’t control many media outlets, at least not [00:36:00] popular media outlets. They certainly didn’t control academia. Where if you look at the, you know, DEI brigade, right? That is aligned with this anti colonizer.

Sort of ethnic alliance, right? They control the university system almost entirely. They completely control Hollywood. Mm-hmm. They control most Fortune 500 companies in the United States. Look at the number of these companies that have implemented patently racist DEI initiatives. They control you know, you go to a a a a Pride parade, right?

And you will see floats from every single major corporation, right? Like this is a. A cultural coalition that controls every institution of power. So if that is your metric for why the Nazis are bad, then the modern leftists are even worse.

Umes. Anyway, to continue here, I, because I wanna get to the anti-Semitic point because they’re like, but antisemitism is right. Winging, and I’ll point out that no antisemitism is actually historically, and even today, much more of a left [00:37:00] wing phenomenon. Mm-hmm. So, in 19th century socialists often intertwined class critique with antisemitism.

Carl Mos wrote on the Jewish question in 1844 what is the worldly religion of the Jews? Huckstering, what is this? His worldly religion? God, money, money. Is the jealous God of Israel. Pierre Joseph. Pierre Joseph pro Dawn, an anarchist socialist called Jews, the enemy of the human race.

French Cho Socialists, Charles Freyer labeled Jews as quote unquote parasites. Keep in mind, we’re we’re talking about like the All stars here of original Socialists sought and advocated for their exclusion, which you will not find among any of America’s founding fathers.

Wow. And independent institute analyst summarizes quote, the growing 19th century socialist movement did little to stem the anti-Semitic tide and often explicitly promoted anti-Semitism. And, and this was, was core to their values. In Russia, early Bolsheviks faced internal anti-Semitic debates with Stalin’s purges targeted at Jews [00:38:00] disproportionately eg.

The 1952 doctors plot. Examples include the French socialist parties, Drey Fist Affair, which a lot of people don’t know. Remember the dry fist affair that you learned about in history? The dry

Simone Collins: fist affair?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. You remember learning about this, the, the antisemitism that happened in France.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Okay.

That was run by the French Socialist Party. Oh.

Simone Collins: Oh.

Malcolm Collins: They don’t teach you that part. They leave out that part. They’re trying to be like, look French. But you can see antisemitism is an inherently left-leaning philosophy. But let’s look at more recent times. Maybe you can say, well, there’s been a flip. No, there hasn’t.

Recent data suggests antisemitism crosses spectrum, but is predominantly. Leftists specifically a 2024 Combat antisemitism movement report. Found a 107.7% global rise in incidents with far left surges, eg. Campus protests, outpacing far right by 44.3%.

Simone Collins: This is worse than I thought. [00:39:00] Oh, no.

Malcolm Collins: And I, I’ll point out here that this sort of us, them world framework along ethnic lines mm-hmm. It was outlined, if you go back to Fanon, the wretched of the Earth, 1961. Mm-hmm. The colonial world is a mansion world that means divided into two groups. And, and note here he is talking about the colonial world.

This is where he’s laying out this socialist mindset. The world divided into two compartments. This world cut in two is inhabited by two different species. Keep in mind, very similar to the way they talked about Jews, different species, right? The cause is a consequence. You are rich because you are white.

You are white because you are witch. What parcels out the world is to be begin with the fact of. Belonging to or not belonging to a given race, a given species. So note here he is connoting race with species. The settler makes history, his life at epic over against him, toward creatures wasted by fervors, obsessed by ancestral customs from an almost inorganic background.[00:40:00]

So, if you, if you wanna say, oh, they’re not militarists, let’s go to Fanon again. Yeah. Decolonization is always a violent phenomenon from birth. It is clear to him the native, that his narrow world can only be called into question by absolute violence. He asserts. Colonialism is not a thinking machine.

It is violence in its natural state, and it will only yield when confronted with greater violence, violence, unified. The practice of violence binds them together as a whole. Since each individual forms a violent link in the great chain, a part of the great organism of violence, which has surged upward.

And, and, and then the colonized man finds his freedom through violence. So note here he’s talking about how through a shared militarism and shared violence, that is how the vol or the, the colonized people come together. Right. Yeah. Which explicitly mirrors what was originally fascist ideology.

And I think that if you really want to understand the world in [00:41:00] the state of the world you need to understand that the factions haven’t changed from World War II till today. Right. It is still the capitalist, the socialist, and the communist.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: And the, the, the core organizations within each of these are still, the United States still remains the core of the capitalist faction that is out there pushing their agenda.

The core of the communist faction moved from Russia to China, but, you know, and they’re, they’re not really communists anymore. They’re just more. Transparently fascist. I mean, you could see China is a fascist state by I think any definition. And they’re going out there, and this is what Hassan wants America to be like.

This is what the people say, they instate. And then the socialists you know, their, their spiritual heart is still in the Vatican and their, their boots on the ground are still in Germany. It is, it is still the same thing. It is still Germany promoting this [00:42:00] globalized left wing agenda. And remember.

How I talked about those various socialist movements in Latin America decolonial that were, you know, pushed on by, by Catholic priesthood factions de colonialist movements under socialist banners, often marched fascist regimes in scale.

Now, in case you think I am exaggerating here, here is a map of the countries that have a either political party or ruling political party in dark red affiliated with socialist International, next to a map of countries by the percent of Catholics within that country.

Now here’s another fun map. It’s a map of countries in Europe that had fascist governments, and here’s a map of the percent of Catholic population in countries across Europe.

Speaker 4: Unit 1 0 1. Did you know? Did you know one F three aliens have some sort of weapon built into their physiology? Are aliens inherently violent? Hmm. Interesting. How did you know some [00:43:00] aliens are single mothers on a genetic level? I wonder if it affects the behavior of the children. Hmm. Curious. Tell about per capita.

Speaker 6: I’m getting to it.

Now, this might be my favorite map. This is a map of countries that have ever had a fascist government in control or have had a fascist political party as one of their main parties. And here is a map of the percent of Catholics in each country around the world

Another fun comparison here would be to compare the global fascist party map to the global socialist party map, and you will see that they are heavily overlapped.

Note to say something positive about Catholics here. If I was pointing out maps like this and I was talking about Jews, I would be canceled into the ground tomorrow. But because I’m talking about Catholics who are. , Let’s just say not, they don’t, they don’t do that other thing. , , they’re not gonna care.

They’re gonna be like, oh yeah, , that’s, that’s weird that those maps are there. Or, you know, not all Catholics follow the Vatican. And I’m like, well, even if not all Catholics follow the Vatican. I mean, presumably the [00:44:00] Catholics in these countries with these fascists and socialists, , would, would say the same thing, and yet they’re still voting this way.

So, like, what’s the correlation there? Like, why is there such a strong correlation with, , dedication to the Vatican? What the Vatican actually says and preaches and these maps. ,

And if you’d say the Vatican doesn’t preach fascism, I’d refer you to the ness of errors.

,

I. But what I wanna say is really cool about Catholics is, I can point this out, you know, that the world is largely divided into three power factions. The capitalists, the socialists, and the communists. And, well, I, I’ll say four, and the Islamists, and that the socialist factions, heart and soul are in the Vatican.

, And they can look at maps and be like, yeah, that, that makes sense. Whereas I can do an episode saying, Hey, we’ve been giving Israel military aid for the past 70 years. Maybe we can start weaning them off of it, and I’ll have a bunch of people yelling at me anti-Semites.

But for more data here, if you look around the [00:45:00] world, there has never once, except when the Nazis installed. A fascist government in Norway been a fascist government in a Protestant majority country, yet you look across fascist major. If you look across Catholic majority countries, , you know Italy, Spain, Portugal, Croatia, Akia,

and you will see fascist governments.

You can play this same game with socialist countries. There has never once been a socialist government in a Protestant majority country. However, if we’re looking at Catholic majority countries, we’ve had socialist governments in Cuba, Croatia, Hungary, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, and Sylvania.

The reason why I bring this up is because if you were brainwashed by the American education system into believing fascism is a right wing thing and a bunch of young people have been, and then they see somebody like Nick Fuentes go up and start promoting fascist. Catholic like ideas and they’re like, oh, this is so cool.

He’s owning the libs. You know, it only looks like [00:46:00] that because of their brainwashing. If they’re actually aware of the history of the movement, they would understand that the ideas that people like Nick Fuentes are pushing are fundamentally antithetical to anything that is

American right wing

now onto a different subject, a.

Malcolm Collins: The Algerian War in 1954 to 1962, inspired by Fanon caused 1.5 million deaths, mostly to Algerian civilians, the FLN tactics, including targeted killings and purges mirroring fascist onic.

Squad Desmo, comparatively Italian fascist violence in the 1920s killed only around 3000, but escalated to millions in World War ii. Post-colonial socialist regimes like Cambodia, under Pol Pot, Khmer Rouge blended Marxism was nationalism and nobody accuses him of being you know, like a, a non non-communist killing 1.7 to 2.5 million.

So, yeah. The, the, just, just historically, I think it’s, it’s worth being what we’re up against and being aware of the spoilers [00:47:00] and bad actors that exist among the right. Yeah. And this, this sort of comes full circle to one of the things that, that, that I think when you look at this with open eyes and people can be like, come on, the Vatican isn’t anti-capitalism.

It’s not pro flooding. The United States with immigrant, literally look at what the Vatican is releasing. They’re, they are not shy about this stuff.

And I mean, they’ve been incredibly explicit about this. Pope Leo 13 addressed in his NI 1899 Apostolic letter tester, benevolent noster, sent to Cardinal James Gibbons, the Archbishop of Baltimore. In the letter, the Pope condemned Americanism as a heresy warning against doctrines that could undermine Catholic or orthodoxy by prioritizing natural national.

Cultural norms over universal Catholic teachings.

Note here, this is literally saying we are a globalist movement. Remember, we are a [00:48:00] globalist movement. This is our globalist agenda.

End note, if you’re a Catholic and you’re confused about how things could have worked out this way, just think about the teachings of your own church. Okay? All people are the same all over the world. They should all. Work under at least theo theologically speaking. And because of the syllabus of errors through their secular governments as well, a central hierarchy, , power should be structured hierarchically based on central authorities we should give to the poor and the needy.

, We should be anti individualist. When you put all of these ideas together, you can get this socialist slash fascist ideology from very non-malicious starting points. , If anything, I’d say that the capitalist idea of Protestantism, , which we might do a separate video, I’m. Stems from, , the intense independent mindedness that that is at the heart of the Protestant movement.

So I’m not saying that [00:49:00] Catholics move towards these ideas because they’re evil or something, it’s just that these ideas tend to lead to evil even though they have a good starting point.

Malcolm Collins: They just, like any other group within the coalition of socialists, expect one day their faction to win. So, like for example, they recently did a report saying, oh, we’re pro monogamy, right?

But. You know, the, the, the, the on the ground foot soldiers who are operating for the Vatican you know, they still were willing to shut down their program rather than help, you know, 40 something africaners flee from oppression, right? Like, just because they’re white, right? Like they are fully on board with this agenda.

This doesn’t mean all Catholics are, there are a lot of Catholics in the United States that aren’t. But when you look at somebody like Nick Fuentes, I think we really need to ask. What’s his actual agenda, you know? Mm-hmm. And which, which of the factions is he fundamentally, truly serving? When he says, and he has said this repeatedly, that he [00:50:00] thinks America should be run by like a, a single dictatorial regime, basically.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Which again aligns him with this older. Socialist fascist mindset. Right. And he’s, and I, I believe he’s advocated explicitly for socialists like policies. Right?

And note, if you think I’m exaggerating here in terms of Nick Fuentes is. Socialist tendencies. This is a guy who regularly praises Stalin and Stalinism. , This is a guy who says he wants the US to be under a Catholic Taliban rule. You know, , he is, he is very explicitly socialist in his messaging. .

And this, this is so funny, when progressives look at him and they go, he’s a fascist, , because they are now noticing the form of socialism, , that has the racialist elements on the white side again, rather than on the anti-white side. And they’re like, oh, I recognize what that is.

, Whereas a lot of roids do not recognize what it is because they’ve been so brainwashed by the school system to not see the threat that it represents.

Malcolm Collins: Like he, he is very [00:51:00] much, which, which is ironic, part of the Progressive coalition and. Through that, attempting to tear down our coalition.

Right. Telling his followers not to vote for Trump. Right. So, so, so it is worth being aware of spoilers that have attempted to infiltrate our movement to prevent us from winning elections and, and, and, and, and moving forwards while pushing paradoxical, alternate radiologies.

Simone Collins: Yeah, that’s a fair point.

Wow. Well. Once again, you show me that it’s really important to actually stop and question and think about things instead of just letting people put labels on stuff and taking it for granted. Uhhuh because n. I realize just with so many things you’ve, you’ve pointed out to me that I’ve been gaslit essentially.

Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Things are

Simone Collins: what I assume they are based on what Germany

Malcolm Collins: still has. The ideology they had during the Nazi regime, they just rebranded it and they are still the global center of it, [00:52:00] and they are still pushing it across the world. But it, it hopefully will be self-destructing within this generation.

Oh

Simone Collins: my gosh. Well, we’ll see. Time will tell my friend.

Malcolm Collins: Love you to death. I love when our fans was like, you are what groupers are to Jews? To Catholics. Like where Nick Fuentes has like a bunch of Jewish friends and I have a bunch of Catholic friends. Like our friends are disproportionately Catholic actually.

Actually we might have more Catholic friends than any other group, even Jews. But the, I have this wider conspiratorial mindset which is funny that, that I never get called out for it and he’s constantly called out for it, which I think shows I just, I, I’ve yet

Simone Collins: to meet

Malcolm Collins: a

Simone Collins: Catholic who really vehemently stands the Vatican, and this includes Catholics that I’ve met with who are priests at Vatican City, living in Vatican City.

I don’t know. I mean, I almost feel like there’s an inherent understanding that large bureaucracies have problems and that they’re, well, I guess what [00:53:00] you could argue is, is it’s the

Malcolm Collins: Jesuits who have always been the, the socialist faction and they just control the Vatican. Kind of like, are, are,

Simone Collins: are the Jesuits, the teachers unions of the Catholic church?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, they, but you could say that they basically through unfair elections, which they, they had. Pretty patently on for elections. We could maybe go into that in a different election. Did sort of a coup on Catholicism and, and are currently running the, the bureaucratic institution. And, and so, you know, it might make sense to still be a Catholic without submitting to the Jesuit socialist regime.

Simone Collins: Maybe that’s a, that could be an interesting episode to explore. But anyway, I love you. Love you too. I kept hoping to find comments in our episode on schools being an MLM that were from someone who’s like, actually. It’s not so bad. And here’s why. Like I,

Malcolm Collins: I work in a school and, and school is not so bad. It was every single person who worked in a school like, is it bad or worse? Well, it was parents, it

Simone Collins: was administrators, it was [00:54:00] students.

It was former, like every person and every point of contact was like, yeah, this is horrible. We all agree this is the worst thing. Oh,

Malcolm Collins: oh

Simone Collins: my God. And there’s such a clear solution is just introduce education, savings account. It just solves the problem, like schools work. Well, you could solve all of it just by destroying teachers’ unions.

Well, I actually think education savings accounts are better. It’s, there are unions, not

Malcolm Collins: education savings accounts. As long as teacher’s unions exist, they are mutually incompatible.

Simone Collins: Fair.

Malcolm Collins: Fair. Anyway so how has your day gone?

Simone Collins: It’s going all right. I mean, because we’re kind of getting in the hang of.

Figuring out a homeschooling routine for Octavian. I, I did, I admittedly spent a lot of time doing that, like going over the books with him and stuff and not working. So I feel a lot of cognitive dissonance and that like, I lost you. Well, you’re [00:55:00] gonna need to

Malcolm Collins: be stricter about him interacting with you and he can interact with me in terms of the educational stuff, and I’m happy to do that because it doesn’t disrupt my workflow like it does yours.

Simone Collins: Oh, you’re able to do both.

Malcolm Collins: Yes.

Simone Collins: That’s amazing. I don’t know how you do it. Maybe it’s that you’re not autistic, like autistic people. Like switching is, is a big thing.

Malcolm Collins: Like Well I also put less effort into it than you. Yeah. And that’s why it deserves the effort. I am very good. I don’t think it is worth the effort.

I don’t think that you are getting through to him more than I am.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Maybe not.

Malcolm Collins: You’re doing with more books and stuff like that and I’m doing it with more Do this and then I’ll give you a computer.

Anyway, I’ll get started here.

Speaker 7: Is my food ready? Well, look at that Turkey. Look at this. This is Thanksgiving. Yum. Yum. Yu ready? Make [00:56:00] her feel like toasty and octavian. What are you working on for Thanksgiving?

Speaker 9: That’s the plan friend. Why think it long anyway? ‘cause you’re not helping Fred achieve. Yeah. Do we help you brothers on earth? We are.

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