The Russians, They Love This Country to Death, but Not to Ourselves

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Yasha stalin's daughter, satanalilova, did her best to escape and lived in the united states. His niece lives in new york city right now. Gorbacho daughter lives outside russia. And his grandchildren, they'de never been in the last five years. That's amazing. Yasha, there are certain things that don't happen. Why? Ies of russian bitterness. They cannot live without chanel, prada, luisiton and you name it. No, they are going to torture their husbands, but they will make them to bring all this luxury, glassy life that existed in moscow back.

Yevgenia Albats is a Russian journalist, and editor-in-chief and CEO of the popular Russian independent magazine The New Times. The magazine has now been blocked by government censors for reporting on the war in Ukraine. Until last week, when the station was taken off the air, Albats was also host of a long-running radio show on Ekho Moskvy. The author of The State Within a State: The KGB and its Hold on Russia–Past, Present, and Future, she is a member of the Persuasion board of advisors.

In this week’s conversation, Yevgenia Albats and Yascha Mounk discuss the quickly-evolving nature of the Putin dictatorship, how ordinary Russians view the invasion, and the fate of the free Russian press in the face of a new wave of repression.

This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity.

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