Patrick McHale: I want to take a little quick pause and actually go through something that you've put together in your book, which is a great resource for folks. And it's your approach to the food pyramid. So at the top of the pyramid is recreational treats, things like alcohol, sugar, and so forth. Not on the pyramid and not included in recreational treats are ultra processed food. They're just zero. That's just a no, no, but it's just art. You can't stop. It really means understanding what is information in food and how to use food to upgrade your biology. He says people should be able to enjoy a lot of different types of foods,

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