The title part makes, especially if you haven't had a COO before and you're just dipping your toes in the water, it makes sense. And it's also maybe different expectations. So putting out a post-universe COO, maybe that person has an expectation that they're going to hire a large set of VPs. And maybe that makes sense if you're a thousand person company, but if you're 100 people, maybe that might be too early. It was very painful, re-org for the company because they were bringing in all these outside people that truly were VPs. That sounds like definitely you were definitely thinking many moves ahead before executing on that.

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