Is DE Shaw an Important Part of Your Career?

Truman: I have to start by confessing that I couldn't get a job at DE Shaw when I tried. But later I went to Bankers Trust and worked on Wall Street and got a kind of probably a different type of vibe than I would have had there. He was working at DE Shaw research where we are actually building ASICS and custom hardware for a bunch of different reasons not for mining but for totally different use case. Truman: In the early days of Bitcoin no one in distributed systems believed it was really working until it like existed for like four or five years.