i will be in brief reminders to help you stay on track with what you're learning from the episodes that we release on tuesdays and fridays. These short text message reminders will be directly from me to you, and they will periodically prompt you to pause for a second and become more present and mindful. Our guest on this episode is sarah stein greenberg, the executive director of the hasso platner institute of design. Sarah helps lead the d school and inter disciplinary institute at stanford that nurtures innovators and spreads design thinking. Eric and sarah discuss her book, creative acts for curious people,. how to think, create and lead in unconventional ways.

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