ESG Governance Roadshows

The sustainability topic is very often still a discussion which is happening in the ESG governance road shows. And that's in itself indeed a challenge. So how do we make sure that we move that intrinsically into one discussion? It needs to come from both sides. I think we need to improve on the way we share our story. We give proof points on the way sustainability investments are delivering financial performance and cash flows. But at the same moment I think also investors need to move on that.