Intro

A tricky week for Wes Streeting was eased ever so slightly by the news NHS waiting lists have shrunk – if not by much. 

But the health secretary will still be nursing his bruises a day after having to deny he was plotting to oust the prime minister.  

If he really is in the waiting room hoping to enter Number 10 it would help if his NHS record was given a positive diagnosis. 

Mr Streeting talks a good game – so what’s the true state of the NHS under his leadership? 

Niall is joined by former NHS Trust chairman Roy Lilley and health correspondent Ashish Joshi. 

Producer: Natalie Ktena

Editor: Mike Bovill