Bernardo Kastrup and John Vervaeke [Round 1] Theolocution on Consciousness, Idealism, and Naturalism
Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal
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This chapter explores the philosophical debate between idealism and naturalism, delving into the evolution of technology from personal computing to generative AI. It also underscores the importance of metaphysical thought leaders in understanding these shifts and their impact on our consciousness and interactions.
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In this round‑1 dialogue, philosopher Bernardo Kastrup defends metaphysical idealism while cognitive scientist John Vervaeke explores the meaning crisis and a third‑wave approach to mindfulness. They probe the nature of consciousness, the relationship between mind and matter, and the limits of naturalistic explanations.
- 0:00:00 - Introduction
- 0:08:50 - Green Room
- 0:09:43 - Context Exposition
- 0:10:33 - Intros
- 0:12:53 - Vervaeke Deep Continuity Rationalist
- 0:16:18 - BK Analytic Idealist
- 0:19:14 - Emergent Exploration
- 0:22:33 - Plausibility Construct
- 0:26:33 - Psychosocial Plausibility
- 0:29:12 - Science and Consciousness
- 0:30:03 - Culturally Manufactured Emergence
- 0:33:30 - Normative Pragmatism
- 0:34:56 - Disciplined Plausibility
- 0:36:02 - Scotus and Ockham
- 0:38:44 - Incoherent Notion of Being
- 0:40:48 - Relativity and Alien Abduction
- 0:47:18 - Individuating Consciousness
- 0:51:33 - Standard Hume Empiricism
- 0:52:22 - Elegance vs Realism
- 0:53:40 - Nominal vs Ontic Partitioning
- 0:58:28 - Questioning the Experiencer
- 1:01:18 - Meta‑conscious Reflective Attention
- 1:03:03 - Hume's Straw Man
- 1:04:16 - Self and Meta‑consciousness
- 1:06:33 - Dissociative Folded Reflection
- 1:08:08 - What is the Self
- 1:09:33 - Therapy Timeout
- 1:15:11 - Solving the Meaning Crisis
- 1:17:33 - Unbalanced Analytic Rationality
- 1:19:17 - Idolatry of Nerds
- 1:26:24 - Fluid Compensation for Physicalist Facade
- 1:28:42 - Wrong Images of the World
- 1:32:27 - Flat Ontologies and Depth Dimension
- 1:34:21 - Obviousness of Experience
- 1:36:54 - Normative Longing for Transcendental Noumenal
- 1:40:00 - Meaning and Ontology
- 1:44:40 - Meta‑meaning Worldview
- 1:51:05 - Defining Existence
- 1:56:44 - Drinking from Fount of Intelligibility
- 1:58:29 - Behind the Scenes
- 2:01:33 - Where Do You Disagree Most?
- 2:04:33 - Real Field Harmonics
- 2:06:11 - Grounding Monism & Spinoza Modes
- 2:15:01 - Observation Beyond Dissociation
- 2:16:16 - Space/Time Framework of Language
- 2:18:02 - New Age Disavowal
- 2:19:13 - Difference In Kind
- 2:24:20 - Emergence Threshold
- 2:26:37 - Inducing Dissociation in Universal Mind
- 2:30:33 - Meta‑consciousness Reportability
- 2:34:40 - Jung and Meta‑consciousness
- 2:38:00 - Metacognition and Dissociation
- 2:43:22 - Beyond Own Dissociation Boundary
- 2:45:55 - Mental Dissociative Character
SPONSORS:
- Patreon: Support the show at https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal
- PayPal: Donate via https://bit.ly/2EOR0M4
- Twitter: Follow https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt
- iTunes: Listen on Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/better-left-unsaid-with-curt-jaimungal/id1521758802
- Pandora: Stream on Pandora https://pdora.co/33b9lfP
- Spotify: Stream on Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e
- Discord: Join with code dmGgQ2dRzS
- Reddit: Community at https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeverything
RESOURCES:
- YouTube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWcTmeAs44I
- Curt's interview with JV alone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p8o3-7mvQc
- Curt's interview with BK alone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAB21FAXCDE
- Patreon for conversations on Theories of Everything, Consciousness, Free Will, and God: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal
- Help support conversations like this via PayPal: https://bit.ly/2EOR0M4
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt
- iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/better-left-unsaid-with-curt-jaimungal/id1521758802
- Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP
- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e
- Discord Invite Code (as of Mar 04 2021): dmGgQ2dRzS
- Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeverything
- JV's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/johnvervaeke
- JV's "Meaning Crisis" series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54l8_ewcOlY&list=PLND1JCRq8Vuh3f0P5qjrSdb5eC1ZfZwWJ
- BK's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeDZCa3VrRQvzBlVR-oVVmA
- 0:00:00 - Introduction
- 0:08:50 - Green Room
- 0:09:43 - Context Exposition
- 0:10:33 - Intros
- 0:12:53 - Vervaeke Deep Continuity Rationalist
- 0:16:18 - BK Analytic Idealist
- 0:19:14 - Emergent Exploration
- 0:22:33 - Plausibility Construct
- 0:26:33 - Psychosocial Plausibility
- 0:29:12 - Science and Consciousness
- 0:30:03 - Culturally Manufactured Emergence
- 0:33:30 - Normative Pragmatism
- 0:34:56 - Disciplined Plausibility
- 0:36:02 - Scotus and Ockham
- 0:38:44 - Incoherent Notion of Being
- 0:40:48 - Relativity and Alien Abduction
- 0:47:18 - Individuating Consciousness
- 0:51:33 - Standard Hume Empiricism
- 0:52:22 - Elegance vs Realism
- 0:53:40 - Nominal vs Ontic Partitioning
- 0:58:28 - Questioning the Experiencer
- 1:01:18 - Meta‑conscious Reflective Attention
- 1:03:03 - Hume's Straw Man
- 1:04:16 - Self and Meta‑consciousness
- 1:06:33 - Dissociative Folded Reflection
- 1:08:08 - What is the Self
- 1:09:33 - Therapy Timeout
- 1:15:11 - Solving the Meaning Crisis
- 1:17:33 - Unbalanced Analytic Rationality
- 1:19:17 - Idolatry of Nerds
- 1:26:24 - Fluid Compensation for Physicalist Facade
- 1:28:42 - Wrong Images of the World
- 1:32:27 - Flat Ontologies and Depth Dimension
- 1:34:21 - Obviousness of Experience
- 1:36:54 - Normative Longing for Transcendental Noumenal
- 1:40:00 - Meaning and Ontology
- 1:44:40 - Meta‑meaning Worldview
- 1:51:05 - Defining Existence
- 1:56:44 - Drinking from Fount of Intelligibility
- 1:58:29 - Behind the Scenes
- 2:01:33 - Where Do You Disagree Most?
- 2:04:33 - Real Field Harmonics
- 2:06:11 - Grounding Monism & Spinoza Modes
- 2:15:01 - Observation Beyond Dissociation
- 2:16:16 - Space/Time Framework of Language
- 2:18:02 - New Age Disavowal
- 2:19:13 - Difference In Kind
- 2:24:20 - Emergence Threshold
- 2:26:37 - Inducing Dissociation in Universal Mind
- 2:30:33 - Meta‑consciousness Reportability
- 2:34:40 - Jung and Meta‑consciousness
- 2:38:00 - Metacognition and Dissociation
- 2:43:22 - Beyond Own Dissociation Boundary
- 2:45:55 - Mental Dissociative Character
SPONSORS:
- Patreon: Support the show at https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal
- PayPal: Donate via https://bit.ly/2EOR0M4
- Twitter: Follow https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt
- iTunes: Listen on Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/better-left-unsaid-with-curt-jaimungal/id1521758802
- Pandora: Stream on Pandora https://pdora.co/33b9lfP
- Spotify: Stream on Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e
- Discord: Join with code dmGgQ2dRzS
- Reddit: Community at https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeverything
RESOURCES:
- YouTube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWcTmeAs44I
- Curt's interview with JV alone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p8o3-7mvQc
- Curt's interview with BK alone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAB21FAXCDE
- Patreon for conversations on Theories of Everything, Consciousness, Free Will, and God: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal
- Help support conversations like this via PayPal: https://bit.ly/2EOR0M4
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt
- iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/better-left-unsaid-with-curt-jaimungal/id1521758802
- Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP
- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e
- Discord Invite Code (as of Mar 04 2021): dmGgQ2dRzS
- Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeverything
- JV's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/johnvervaeke
- JV's "Meaning Crisis" series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54l8_ewcOlY&list=PLND1JCRq8Vuh3f0P5qjrSdb5eC1ZfZwWJ
- BK's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeDZCa3VrRQvzBlVR-oVVmA
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