Every three years you sort of cycle the, the C suite and the startup. And it's like, could you guys have been the startup guys or did it have to come to like, did you have to walk this road to get here? But I do think so or was it what is like, like, is that even possible? Well, like, in my, in my mind, I mean, a lot of these guys that are like, great at helping you succeed, but bad at building an organization to do sales  right?"

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