Design for Environment vs Design for Sustainability

In this episode, Pascal talks to Dharmesh J. (DJ) and Lisa about the vision for the open, scalable future of networking hardware for AI and to break down Meta's big announcements from the 2025 Open Compute Project (OCP) Summit. We dive into the OCP ecosystem, explore how AI is used to enhance our carbon modeling, and share our progress toward achieving Net Zero emissions across all scopes by 2030.

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Links

• OCP: https://www.opencompute.org/

• OCP Summit 2025: https://engineering.fb.com/2025/10/13/data-infrastructure/ocp-summit-2025-the-open-future-of-networking-hardware-for-ai/

• How Meta Is Leveraging AI To Improve the Quality of Scope 3 Emission Estimates for IT Hardware: https://engineering.fb.com/2025/10/14/data-center-engineering/how-meta-is-leveraging-ai-to-improve-the-quality-of-scope-3-emission-estimates-for-it-hardware/

Timestamps

• Intro 0:06

• Introduction Lisa 1:49

• Introduction DJ 3:16

• What is OCP? 4:04

• OCP's scale 5:24

• Open vs closed hardware ecosystems 9:26

• Examples of OCP projects 11:33

• Sustainability in OCP 14:08

• How did you get into OCP? 15:59

• Marrying infrastructure growth with sustainability 19:05

• Emissions scopes and tracking 25:07

• Measuring scope 3 26:06

• What components embed the most carbon? 30:47

• DFE vs DFS 32:34

• Hardware reuse 33:39

• Outro 37:48