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How and When Did the Chinese Get Really Good at Cyber Warfare?
John Donvan: The use of propaganda to set us against one another, especially as this was mostly developed. He says the Russians used Ukraine as a laboratory for a lot of the things they ended up perpetrating on the American public. In light of the Chinese, especially in terms of just their technical prowess, he asks how and when did they get so good at cyber warfare? John Donvan: I'm wondering if you take that question to Rip Van Winkle.