When you've shut oureyes for ten or 20 minutes, it's absolutely magical. The sounds are so different to what they are when you've got the visual sense and it's just great. And i think that's why people listen to music and meditations with head phones because you cut off the visual channel. As i think the visual channel is very overrated verle. We need it, but it's, it's a huge distraction. You know. It's cause i love the oral channel. Nw, i grow up with the radio almost as much as t v, and that's interesting that i become a podcaster, of course. So it's tuning in and

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