"It is plausible that somewhere within the russian orbit this was carried out for some kind of means or for some objective," he said. "In a busy and complicated time like this when lots of counterintuitive things are happening it's not beyond the scope of possibility what do you want me to say i think it's ridiculous okay?" He added: 'When you're trying to reason about what happens that kind of magical thinking isn't really the most helpful thinking'
UnHerd's Freddie Sayers meets Jeffrey Sachs to debate who really blew up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.
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