Biden and trat both had a trap to avoid. I would say that biden avoided his trap and trump did not. By constantly attacking bidan interrupting him, it was counterproductive. In certain key moments he did fabulously well. But i don't think Trump helped himself with a few per cent of independents who are still out there,. You know, looking to make a decision. It's like a daeds, that debate, that debate was just a dumpster fire....