How to Talk to a Church About Money?

John, you mentioned planting and you have been involved in starting a new church a couple times. Is that a unique challenge for pastors? In other words, they have fewer resources probably. They have to very much be concerned with the trellis in a way they might not have to five or ten years on in their ministry. Jamie, you wrote an article called, How to Talk to Your Church About Money. What's the answer? How do you talk to a church about money? Like a pastor. Explain.