John Byron is the grandfather of poet Lord Byron. In many ways, he is my eyes and ears on this bewildering world,. He is our kind of stand-in observer. I think there are probably some parallels. But I would say I don't really get so conscious about that. It's just trying to understand each one of them and to render their point of view.
David Grann is a staff writer at The New Yorker and the acclaimed author of "The Lost City of Z" and "Killers of the Flower Moon." In his new book, the #1 New York Times bestseller "The Wager: A Tale of Shipwreck, Mutiny, and Murder," he tells the story of an 18th-century British warship that crashed on a godforsaken island off the coast of Patagonia. Stranded and starving, the men descended into murderous anarchy. Years later, when a handful of the survivors returned to England, their heroes' welcome was quickly swamped by questions about what really happened on the island.
Host: Caleb Bissinger
Guest: David Grann