Jocko: When I was on Tim Ferriss's podcast, the first time, he asked me what makes a good leader. He said number one, humility and someone that is balanced. Jocko: Good leaders rely on not getting themselves into extreme situations or into attitudes where they're handling things in an extreme manner. "I haven't been reminding people enough about listen, being balanced is usually the best way to handle things," says Jocko.