There's one thing that you explain pretty uniquely, which is the term called pain sponge. I know I can associate pain with complexity, but tell us a little bit more. What do you mean by pain sponge? Well, okay, so the dance is complex. But then pain sponge is more like a mindset. So when we are in a project such as improving custom mixing, whether we use the word simplicity or not, actually it's quite hard to make things simple. It's not easy. Sometimes I feel like giving up because it's just people say, no, we still have to add this information and why it's because of we've been always doing this way"

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