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Jared Danders: ID three has served many more purposes than they intended building it in the late 90s. In at least overcast, I like the visual of knowing how long a chapter is. So start times to chapters are required end times are not required, which makes sense. We include both. But if I was writing that app, I would assume if I have the metadata that shows me the start and the end time, I'm going to use that for my calculations.