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John Foley 'Creating a business case to be hired'

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You're Not Sitting Back and Waiting for People to Knock on the Door With an Opportunity

I'm loving the fact that you're like at the front of the pack and you're going to hunting down these opportunities yourself. It sounds very kind of facetious in that sense, but again, you're going out and looking for this. You went out there. You found it. You made this happen. That's that's a pattern that I'm seeing with people who are having less bumpy road in that transition period. Can you remember when he was during the pandemic? Because this wasduring the pandemic. Okay, so it was kind of an interesting kind of transition period between the world that we knew pandemic world. So you did an email introduction and what we threw

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