Podcast Generation

I remember listening to Rob Bell. He was an exegettial, a little crazy and I never heard anything like that in my life. What he was doing was unbelievable. Erwin McManus in LA. They didn't sound like I grew up in a very churchy culture. And so then I went through about five years of preachers who were more angry than Matt Chandler. It just it gave me hope. That's when I planted a church in New York City.