yeah i i love that you said this thing about people engaging interacting with it because that's exactly what i think it is that when you give people less information they fill in the blanks from their own world and suddenly like i draw these uh i don't know if you've seen any of my tiny people drawings but i draw at traffic intersections and i will draw people who are walking by so i only have maybe 10 seconds with them if they stop still at a light so i have to capture the person in 10 seconds and this obviously means distilling a lot of information i can't draw their face facial features i can't show their expression often but i can capture pause and i can capture fashion

oh i love it right now actually yeah

so the decisions i make uh in cutting down so that i can finish this leads to an open-ended thing that i believe viewers can put people from their own world into you know you can see maybe yourself in one of them maybe you can see some and these are all people in vancouver but maybe you'll see somebody that you recognize from your world because they they they take those few boxes so that they are perfectly suitable for that street corner in new york where you were drawing yesterday uh so uh i want to talk about the output side of your art as well and i want to know more about you as a designer and illustrator but before we do that let's take a five-minute break and catch our breaths drink some water and then let's get back to this

same dress all right sounds good i hope

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