The Importance of Black American Identity

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The experiences of these communities, as I keep insisting upon, are not the same. Black Caribbean pupils and schools are three times more likely to be excluded from schools than black African pupils. So even though the book is entitled, this is not America,. there are many black African students and people that do struggle."

Tomiwa Owolade is a writer and author of the forthcoming book This is Not America: Why Black Lives in Britain Matter.

In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Tomiwa Owolade discuss how some popular forms of anti-racist thinking can obscure which groups are struggling most; how Labour MP Diane Abbott’s response to an article of Owolade’s in The Guardian led to the Labour MP’s formal censure by her party; and what Americans can learn from Britain on issues of race (and Britons from America).

This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity.

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