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Austin Kleon

Smart People Podcast

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How to Save Money and Stay Out of Debt

"I don't make all my money just from like, you know, making art," he says. "I make my money off doing speaking gigs and selling books and stuff like that." He's been married to his wife for five years; they've worked really hard on establishing low overhead. 'We can't lose a set of hands,' she tells him when it comes to taking unpaid leave during book tour.

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