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The Role of Hacktivists in Cybersecurity
Hackers tend to focus a lot on like the government side of the house. These, these guys tend to do more interesting things from the defense side of things. The reason we get pummeled by so many Chinese attacks is they're really undifferentiated in their targeting. And then you look at certain European countries and it's obvious that at some point an intelligence agency like five hoodie-wearing French dudes built a whole platform somewhere. They cannot ever stop because basically this is the job.