Amanda Thursk is still in her job, but she's not another scalp. The PRs were also there who'd introduced us, but they were largely silent for the two or three hours I was with her. She was a hugely impressive woman, you know, superficially extremely high achieving. We had that kind of commonality, but yes, it was surprising. But what it did is it was built that mutual respect, that mutual trust and the way I negotiate is very plain speaking and very direct for better or worse.

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