"There's a part of us that wants that, or at the very least, is addicted to it," he says. "When my first thought wasn't like, god damn it, I won't be able to do the run...I was like, oh, I get to do it again." He adds: "If you have plans that hinge on, they will not go down easily".
Ryan Holiday (new book Discipline is Destiny!) returns to make it weird!
Watch the video of the podcast here!