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The potential for tortoises is a bit greater from the perspective of transforming how the services work. And then our old friend vtipante has got some caled luma, which is quite interesting. To day, un the atonic cast, and to day, we have ben ber the chief business officer of spin.

The gang dips back into micromobility this week, welcoming Spin's Chief Business Officer Ben Bear to the show. Ben explains Spin's exciting new developments in teleoperation and even driver assistance systems for its scooters, and how these new technologies are impacting the business. Plus: the importance of city relationships, how Spin has benefitted from being part of Ford, the seasonal nature of micromobility, and the direction that long-term new product planning is headed in.