i think we're gan need a shift away from the more extreme forms of consumerism that shake the world toda, for the simple reason that consumerism is not the same as happiness. And there's now a large literature, as you know, on thati've been talking to some guests about that and reading about that. I can see areas where i see no limits to growth, a growth in knowledge, growth in science, aand i can seewell what am john stuart mill called an equi something like an equilibrium world. Now it's t's as if we've lost sight, i think, in our world, of the need to be clear about the constraints

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