Richard: I've been paris psychology for a long time. Originally worked as a magician, doing tricks for people. Got fascinated with the paranormal because magicians a faking para normal stuff all the time. Went to university of hertfordshire and wass doing experiments like the one t t you are talking about there. And so it's great example of how you start off doing one thing and end up in a completely different place - having effects that you just thought you never have before.

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