Introduction

Roberto Rodriguez is a principal threat researcher for the Microsoft security research organization. Ali Mellon from Forester she goes by hacker ex Bella on Twitter was lamenting the idea that EER vendors or vendors in general are using MITRE attack as kind of a a checkbox so they're just trying to check all the boxes. Roberto does lots of great stuff I'm sure everybody listening to this to this podcast is gonna know no Roberto But I wanted to there was something I thought was kind of interesting that at least takes me back to when Roberto and I first met And I think it is probably it could facilitate an interesting conversation. We Outro Change Robertos nothing's changed All right, we're ready