The Seed of a Podcast, Eric

Stacy: eric and i were talking just a day or two before about am, like set of different perspectives. He sometimes has trouble taking his own first person respected, which i think you two talked about in the podcast at as, right? And so that that came out of that a retreat as well. So then he and i were kind of playing off each other in this interesting way, which we proceeded to do in a couple of subsequent conversations at maple.