The way that I learned in my PhD program it was very much by the book. It's, I mean here's a statistical diagnosis these are the symptoms of somebody if they have them for more than two weeks and they have major depression. And unfortunately they're not willing to think outside the box. Some doctors who are now going and getting, you know, certifications and integrative medicine,. because they felt that stuckness that they can't help my patients and I need to learn more.

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