Partisanship Risks and Bipartisan Origins

In a punchy conversation, Alex Karp, chief executive of Palantir, defends his company’s work aiding the Trump administration’s immigration crackdown and rejects claims Palantir is building mass surveillance tools.

He says his support for Mr. Trump is driven by the two issues he cares most about: “immigration and restoring the deterrent capacity of America.”

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