Intro

In this in-depth episode, we analyze a video of the 'Doge' meeting with the USAID team. The discussion tackles the misuse of funds, with millions allocated for controversial programs like promoting LGBT rights and atheism in countries with opposing cultures, and even alleged inefficiencies and cases of funds being diverted to terrorist organizations. The episode delves into the broader implications of USAID's spending, and examines arguments from both sides of the debate. We also explore the impact of these spending practices on U.S. relations with other countries, and the potential cultural and diplomatic fallout. Tune in for a thorough breakdown of how USAID's budget is being used, or misused, and what it could mean for the future of U.S. foreign aid.

Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx): [00:00:00] We found a video of the Doge meeting with USAID's team.

Speaker: Give us a little more information surrounding the deficits that you're running this year.

Speaker 2: Ooh, gosh. We don't really like to talk about money. We find it a little gauche.

Speaker 3: This is a budget meeting.

Speaker 2: Well, most of our files are in these boxes if you really want to take a look at how much

Speaker: that we've spent.

Why don't we just dig in and see what we're up against?

Speaker 2: Yes, and thank you. We really appreciate your help.

Speaker: Are you tipping me?

Speaker 2: Is that a hundred? Euros?

Malcolm Collins: Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be with you here today. We have talked about the USAID controversy, but I hadn't had a time to do the deep dive into both sides of the argument before this into the specifics because you see a lot of crazy numbers being thrown out there.

And honestly, if you've just been watching white wing media, some of these numbers have inaccuracies or misconceptions in the way they're presented. Others, when you dig into them, are even crazier than you [00:01:00] thought they were on a surface level.

Simone Collins: Okay, because, yeah, my default here as a listener is Okay, everything I'm hearing is a little exaggerated.

It's not exactly that bad, but it's bad. And you're saying that actually, some of it's even worse? Some of it's dramatically worse, some of it's

Malcolm Collins: dramatically less bad.

Okay.

And, and if I'm gonna start with just one that's dramatically less bad. Okay, yes. It's a story about the U. S. Government funding media organizations like the 4 million to the New York Times, the 8 million to Politico.

If you look at this there was a few sort of misconceptions that are bundled in the way this is presented. It's presented as if this is only coming from USAID, which actually isn't true. , the money that came from USAID, for example, last year for Politico was 25, 000. Now, when I hear 25, 000 and I hear this is for the special subscription.

Keep in mind, this isn't for like the public subscription, like premium business

Simone Collins: subscription with like

Malcolm Collins: analysts. Similar to what you would get was like God, what was that report that I used to read?

Simone Collins: They had like, I think many people who went [00:02:00] to

Malcolm Collins: business schools used to work for them.

I was thinking of the Stratford report, which costs like a thousand dollars a year depending on what subscription you're using.

But they're like

Simone Collins: anything I'm thinking about Bloomberg subscriptions and Bloomberg terminals at business schools that I went to, and those were like, really expensive.

It was such a big deal to have a Bloomberg. It's

Malcolm Collins: a waste of government money, but I do not think that they were explicitly paying for story. It was premium

Simone Collins: subscription. So they were supporting the organizations though.

Malcolm Collins: Yes. We weren't using the full. They could definitely go back and renegotiate, but also the, the, for example, the numbers cited like the 8 million were in the one year, right?

Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-2: Another part of the story that I've seen reported in a few places that is just a complete fabrication based on a manipulated video Uh is that some celebrities were paid by USAID to go to the Ukraine To attempt to improve the US public's opinion of Zelensky That did not happen. Those celebrities went on their own money or were using UN money

Malcolm Collins: So this is me saying some of this stuff [00:03:00] is less bad than we thought it was. Others where they will say something like the 8, the well, we'll get to that later. Actually, I'm not going to get to any of that. The first thing I actually wanted to go into was, was two points in this one. I want to read an article about the way the left is framing this and the way the left is freaking out about this that I think was written about by the woman who did that freak out about us.

Just yesterday for salon she published to her like private blue sky in an unsearchable way. She does these like images. So they're really hard to find. Cause after I saw this the first time it took me forever to find it again. But the second, and I really, I want to get ahead of this is the argument.

for USAID. Because I think the argument for USAID, before we get into all the ridiculousness, just to steel man it, is on its face a really, really bad argument.

Simone Collins: Okay,

Malcolm Collins: why? So the pragmatic argument for USAID is that, look, you've got China doing soft power in places like Africa. Africa is where the majority of the USAID money was going.

Keep in mind this is [00:04:00] 50 billion a year that they're getting. And when people are like, Oh, Elon's like an unelected person. Well, these people are, I didn't vote for this stuff that USAID is doing. And we'll get to it. It's crazy. It's crazy. But they're like, this is building us good relations with Africa to help fight China.

Right. And I'm like. No, it's not. Are you out of your mind? China is going in getting influential government officials. You can interview people on the ground. We've been in secret meetings where we talk with government officials who have like gotten reports from what's happening in Africa. Africa does not trust the U.

S. They do not like when people just walk into the community or like I got the shots. Just take the shots. Stop asking questions. There is not a belief that these organizations are doing well by them. They're just attempting to force things on them. And you'll see with all this like LGBT stuff, all this promoting atheism.

Yes, they literally tried to promote atheism in a non atheist country. This is pissing off the local people. This is not endearing us to these local people. Maybe in [00:05:00] the past USAID had some things where they were like helping our relations with people, but not today.

Simone Collins: Yeah, it's funny how my impression overwhelmingly, especially of U.

S. based aid work in Africa, for example, is just blanket suspicion of it, conspiracy theories. You're trying to measure us. You're trying to sterilize us. You're trying to poison us. I, yeah, and that's the thing. It's like, I imagine that there is actually a lot of like measurement and research being done on populations in these areas.

So I mean, like, yeah, I've, I've never thought of it is, is getting us ahead. I always thought of it as making maybe some positive difference, but in a New York Times op ed that I just read of the former head of USAID under the Biden administration. She only described one program in it in the entire article that saved lives, and the rest of it was about this argument, this, this thesis that if you do nice things to other [00:06:00] countries, they're more likely to be compliant when you need to put peacekeepers on the ground or something similar.

This is like if

Malcolm Collins: you put wokeness in gamers video games, gamers are gonna like you more. No, they'll hate you. They will declare a fatwa on you and everything you have ever stood for. And then in the article, she complains, as you mentioned, and she's like, and a hundred people have died in the last few years, U.

S. aid workers. No,

Simone Collins: no, no, I think in total, but This should be a unanimously celebrated organization. If they're being killed, either there's very terrible mismanagement, or they're in areas where people are very hostile toward them. And if people who are receiving aid from you are so threatened by you that they will end up killing you, You're clearly not you doing your job like get out.

Yeah, this the mission is failing. This is not working. It's not They even even if they're trying to deliver life saving malaria treatment or HIV treatment [00:07:00] The people in the area think you're trying to poison them. You really just shouldn't be there like Your money is going is like point one percent effective when some other organization When China's out

Malcolm Collins: there building bridges for them, and building ports for them, and building something Well, and there are

Simone Collins: ways to deliver, like, HIV medication, but when, when you are a very mistrusted entity, you shouldn't be the one to deliver it, you know what I mean?

And what's

Malcolm Collins: worse about this is USAID worked separately and did not have ties to the State Department, so they would frequently do things specifically designed to undermine the State Department's agenda. If they felt that the State Department's agenda did not align with whatever they were attempting to push.

Simone Collins: Oh, wait. So not even like, like friendly fire ships crossing in the night, like not realizing that they were undermining their work, but actively undermining their work? Actively because they believe that their work was to

Malcolm Collins: push, well, a woke worldview, which we'll get into in just a second. Oh my gosh. But more than this, I want to start with the Democrat freak out [00:08:00] against this because I love this article because I think it helps get in their mind space.

Okay. Okay. Okay. So, so she goes must goal is to remake America in his own petty, selfish image. There are many reasons why musk is using us aid as a test case to see if he can appoint himself as dictator without pushback from Congress as an apple bomb says. Foreign aid isn't popular with voters, most of whom don't understand it, or maybe they do and they just don't like it, but okay, continue.

So it's low hanging fruit politically. If Musk and the MAGA forces get away with this, they'll rapidly expand, curtailing or shutting down more popular programs, such as funding for healthcare services or food assistance. Yay!

Speaker 24: Ding dong! It's America, motherfucker.

Malcolm Collins: Here I have the little flags in the background, but continue, continue. But I also think that there is a psychological angle to Musk's eagerness to demonize USAID.

He loathes a reminder that, contrary to his philosophy, good people do exist, and not [00:09:00] everyone acts solely out of self interest. Musk has long treated altruism as fiction. He seems to hold the view that people never do good things for good reasons, only because they wish to exploit others. I think often of how Musk, so blah, blah, blah, blah here, but what I love about this is a complete inability to understand that these people working at USAID who are using other people's money to promote their own agenda.

Are not philanthropists.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Like, that you, they have essentially stolen 50 billion a year. Not just because when you say U. S. taxpayer, it hides that this is coming from the U. S. government not helping people after floods. This is coming from the current situation we have in California right now. This is money that could have been spent on helping.

U. S. Citizens who do not have the cash right now in the programs that they need to save lives. And it's being spent [00:10:00] with literally no hope of advancing any American agenda. This is 100 percent like the idea that Musk is mad that these people are do gooders. These people are not do gooders. If I Go up and steal money from somebody because these are unelected officials, right?

Steal money from somebody use it where I take let's say 90 of it and I use it to promote my religion because that's what this is for a lot of These people most americans don't agree with this and then I pocket the other 10 I'm not a here. I just pocketed 10 of the money and then use the rest to promote my weird cult.

Simone Collins: Yeah, not good

Malcolm Collins: But people can say oh well this isn't this, this, this isn't about promoting my, my weird cult. So, oh, oh, by the way, a meme here that I need to share with the public that I love with Because they keep thinking I've been going on with these leftist sites. That the right is panicking about what Trump's doing now, that we don't love [00:11:00] this.

And the meme was, and this was posted on Our Idiocracy, so they thought that like, they had earned the right to

do this.

With the guy saying, Feeling buyer's remorse for MAGA? Don't blame us, MAGA. We tried to warn you, MAGA. Every MAGA now, and it's the guy from office the office saying, I really couldn't be happier.

And then under it somebody had reposted this quiz in the history of getting what I voted for. I have never gotten so much of exactly what I voted for. More than in the past. More than I've gotten in the past two weeks. Yes, I voted for all of this. Every tariff, every deportation, every crime bureaucrat, every grant cancelled, all of it.

And Asmogold did a great piece on this where he had that woman who was running all of this, right? And he was like, I am so glad that you are sad about this because she goes out there and she's like, Oh, people don't understand. They act like we're woke extremists. And it's so sad that people are losing their jobs because the general public just doesn't [00:12:00] understand what we did.

And so I want to go into what they did. And I also want to go into the counter arguments to some of these. But let's just broadly go over the stats that I was more able to verify. And we'll get to the ones where I think that there is some question in this, okay?

Okay.

The funds included 7. 9 million to teach Sri Lankan journalists how to avoid gender binary language.

7. 9 million. Now I will note here and we'll get into this program more because this is one where I had some questions. That was one thing that a program did that did a few things. Okay. Okay. So it wasn't exactly that, but we'll get into it. It is still pretty bad. 2 million for sex changes and LGBT activism in Guatemala.

Back check. This couldn't find anything saying that this wasn't what they were doing. My guess is that some of it at least went to sex changes, but rest of it was probably to normalize stuff. 1. 1 million to an Armenian LGBT group, 1. 5 million to promote LGBT advocacy in Jamaica. Now, by the way, do you think that Jamaica, if you know, like your average Jamaican, [00:13:00] that they like the U.

S. more because we are paying to support LGBT advocacy in their country? Do you think your average Armenian is more positively disposed to the United States because we're paying to promote this religion was in their country? No, this is not helping

Simone Collins: diplomacy wise. Yeah. This is like, wait, you are actively trying to manipulate and undermine my culture.

What are you doing?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Why do they not trust you? When then you come with the shots for their kids and you say, trust me, this will help. I wouldn't trust you either. People. We don't trust you in the United States anymore. Okay. 2 million to promote LGBT equality through entrepreneurship in Latin America.

3. 9 million for LGBT causes in the Western Balkans. Again, not a place that's likely to be positively disposed to this. 3. 9 million. 5. 5 million for LGBT activism in Uganda. I guarantee you the people of Uganda are not happy about that. You did not make any friends by doing that. 6 million for advancing LGBT issues in [00:14:00] priority countries around the world with 6.

3 million for men who have sex with men in Africa. I'm assuming that that was probably an AIDS organization there.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Apart from this, 25 million to Deloitte. So just like Accountant advisor type people to promote green transportation in Georgia,

Simone Collins: in Georgia, okay,

Malcolm Collins: in Georgia, 6 million to transform digital spaces to reflect feminist democratic principles.

Simone Collins: Feminist democratic

Malcolm Collins: million dollars to transform public spaces, probably for art projects is my guess here in digital space. Sorry, digital spaces. So this is what we're going to like online. Feminist Frequency type stuff. Now Feminist Frequency, there's been a misleading picture going around. They didn't get money from the government, they got money from somebody else.

But yeah, terrible, terrible people, Feminist Frequency. 1. 3 million, this one I actually don't Oh, yeah, this is better. To Arab and Jewish photographers These are for like, don't hate the [00:15:00] Jews, don't hate the Arabs campaigns you know, those sorts of things. Or it's probably hate the Jews, the Arabs are awesome campaigns.

You know how this always goes with these people. And 8. 3 million from USAID Education, Equity, and Inclusion. They also funded a 4. 5 million comp to combat quote unquote disinformation in Kazakhstan. You know what that means? Fight conservative value systems. Hold on. That's not all. That's just what the Trump administration put out there.

And we're going to get into like counters to all of these 14 million in cash vouchers for migrants at the Southern border through the state department. That's one. We're going to double.

Simone Collins: Oh, Yeah, we've heard a lot about those, like, leading up to the election. People were alarmed about these, like, debit cards being given to people.

Malcolm Collins: This is one of the ones that gets worse as you dig into it. Okay. 3. 2 million to help Tunisian migrants readjust to life in Tunisia under deportation. Turns out they were being sold into slavery. So that was fun. You know, not awesome. 2. You can tell I've been watching too much Nuxenor today where I'm doing his voice accidentally.

He is my favorite spectral [00:16:00] Jew. Uh, He's got a little thing there. All right. So, 2. 5 million. to build electric vehicle charging stations in Vietnam's largest cities. Now, this is not stuff that's endearing these people to us. This isn't building infrastructure that helps these countries. This is about promoting the woke religion, which sees like environmentalism and LGBT ism as like its core belief, even when it doesn't make sense or when it's not practical within a region or when there's no Cars there, for example, that run on these systems.

Around half a million dollars to help Indonesian coffee companies become more climate and gender friendly.

Simone Collins: More gender friendly? Coffee companies?

Malcolm Collins: Yes, coffee companies in Indonesia.

Simone Collins: Okay, sorry, good. Yeah, there are too many questions. 3.

Malcolm Collins: 8 million to an organization called Being LGBTQ in the Caribbean.

1. 5 million to promote job opportunities for LGBTQ individuals in Serbia. And keep in mind, this is money that could have been saving lives in the United States. You know, how many little kids [00:17:00] died? How many people are still homeless after floods or fires? Because we had unelected officials blowing this money, and now they're up in arms about, oh my god, I lost my job after this grift.

Simone Collins: One of the listeners of this podcast pointed out to me, This just welcome to the corporate world. People are fired in the corporate world at any point for any reason How could I

Malcolm Collins: be fired for doing something that angers more than half of the country?

Simone Collins: Yeah, whereas like you can you can make one person angry in the corporate world.

You can have one bad You know, mistake that you make, and you're gone, and these people are shocked, shocked. And undermining America's

Malcolm Collins: interests. Your job was to help America's interests, not undermine America's interests. If you are somebody in the department, and you're like, well, my side of the department wasn't doing this, well, surely you knew that stuff like this might be happening.

Why didn't you do an investigation? Why weren't you the whistleblower? Why did Musk have to come in and handle all of this? And the heroicism of Musk and his teams. [00:18:00] The Must Twins, they went to these offices, the guys at the front offices say we're gonna arrest you, we're not gonna let you in the buildings.

And they got like the little kids, the little kids! Must wasn't even there this day. They're 20 year olds, come on. They're not me in the building, you a holes. If you saw our video, these guys are like super geniuses you know, like deciphering scrolls using like AI that were like Burt and Pompeii.

Absolute super geniuses. I feel so bad for them. They're getting called murderers. See our other video on this. Yeah. One

Simone Collins: actually resigned after accusations of historical social media posts that were racist. And JD Vans is trying to say like, no, come back. Like, no, you shouldn't be forced to resign based on dumb stuff.

Yeah, I agree with this.

Malcolm Collins: People change, you know, if he's not actively a racist, whatever. Right. Like how do you convince anyone to ever not be a racist? If the moment they are at any point of racist for the next 50 years, like, like, like Nick Foster or whatever. Oh, and if you're trying to fire a 20

Simone Collins: year old for something they said as a teen online, that's like an

Malcolm Collins: early teen.

Yeah. I feel like [00:19:00] you'd say edgy things. There should be a social

Simone Collins: norm where anything you post before age 25. So these

Malcolm Collins: teens are trying to get in the building and they had to threaten. To bring in the marshals because the guards of the building wouldn't let them in. And then they get in the building, everyone's being hostile to them, basically spitting on them everywhere they go, basically bullying them.

They, they had to have guards go in and force some people to resign because they were being so mean to these little kids. The little super geniuses that you've seen from other videos but I want to keep going here 16. 5, 000 to foster a quote, united and equal queer feminist discourse in Albanian society.

Oh, I'm sure that earned us a lot of friends in Albanian society.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: 8, 000 to promote DEI among LGBT groups in Cyprus. Around half a million to promote the expansion of atheism in Nepal. That's one we're going to double click on, because that one was effing insane. Well, yeah, so this, this, this

Simone Collins: So many of these efforts Aren't just antagonistic to the countries being targeted, but [00:20:00] don't, they're not representative of the culture of a huge swath of Americans.

It's only representative of the culture of Islam. It's just really screwed up though. Like, it'd be one thing if we were like A woke caliphate, you know, we're like, we all agreed, like, this was all of us. But it's not even all

Malcolm Collins: we were a woke caliphate. They thought everyone who wasn't woke is, like, a deserving underclass.

They are the deplorables. They are the, the horrifying individuals. Like, the woman, when she wrote the piece on us yesterday, she's like, if you saw them, you know, they're skinny, they're attractive, they're educated. She That they're MAGA. And it's like, what do you mean you never guessed that they're MAGA?

You mean we look like normal people and we don't have horns growing out of our heads? Like, you clearly think of MAGA as like, inhuman in your mind. You are horrified that somebody who's educated ends up in prison. Hey. Let's get to Maga ing. But okay. So, 1 million to boost French speaking LGBT groups in West and Central Africa.

Again, that's going to make these places hate us. And that isn't what your average [00:21:00] American wants. Like you cannot argue this is this helped American interest at all. If you didn't want to spread the cult. Your money shouldn't have been going to this. This organization needs to be shut down. Asmat said, it's not an apple with a worm in it.

It's a ball of worms. Yeah. All right. Let's double click on some of these because I thought they were interesting here. Okay.

Simone Collins: Yes.

Malcolm Collins: So the 47, 000 for the transgender opera in Columbia, because this is one that's been going around a lot. Was it

Simone Collins: good?

Malcolm Collins: Or was it,

Simone Collins: wait, what was like the review in the IT crowd?

Like,

Malcolm Collins: so it was an opera about a trans person living in like rural New York's like life. It was done three times, was in an opera house. It's not like they built an opera house or anything, but not that you could for 47, 000. And it turns out that less than the money than we thought went to it, 25, 000 that went to it was from USAID, 22, 000 that went to it was not funded by the federal government.

But was funded by the nonpartisan, well, not nonpartisan, obviously Albertan Journalism Institute. And what it was, quote [00:22:00] unquote, really going to was funding the department that then ended up hosting this stuff. When they gave the money to the department, they said that they're giving the money to quote expand and strengthen the relationship between the people and the government of the United States and the citizens of the rest of the world.

So basically they just gave them a blank check to do whatever they want. They knew these people were woke. They did woke s**t. So, people are like, oh, this isn't as bad. Well, that's pretty bad because that's a blank check if I've ever heard of one. And they knew from the past behavior of this department what the department was going to do, which was host trans operas.

Simone Collins: Yeah, no, no one, no one goes to the opera anymore, either. Like, you're not going to change minds with the opera. I'm going to go, no. And now I'm just picturing the, Was it South Park? Where it was like, AIDS, AIDS, AIDS. Yeah. Everybody has AIDS. That's

Malcolm Collins: not South Park, you're thinking of Team America, world building.

Team

Simone Collins: America, that's it.

Speaker 7: So this is the end of our story. And everyone is dead from AIDS. It took from me my best friend. [00:23:00] My only true pal. My only bright star. He died of AIDS! Well, I'm gonna march on Washington! Lead the fight and charge the brigades There's a hero inside of all of us I'll make them see everyone has AIDS

Speaker 8: the pump has got it and so do you AIDS! AIDS! AIDS! AIDS! And we call everybody we got quilting to do AIDS!

AIDS! AIDS! AIDS! We're gonna bring Barricades. Everyone has it.

Simone Collins: Oh, yes. They're basically

Malcolm Collins: hosting those all over. But they, they did do some yeah, here's some small money donations that got people freaked out. But I, I, I still think like, this could have gone to save lives. Like, why are you spending this in other countries to make people hate us?

Simone Collins: Yeah. I mean, anyone who is like remotely familiar with the EA community knows that a very small dollar amount can save a significant number of lives through like, anti malarial nets, things like that.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, so 32, 000, well, anti malarial nets all ended up clogging the streams because people didn't use them to fish and [00:24:00] they turned out to be mostly a net negative.

It looks like they were in the communities overall. A lot of people refused to believe this because they are still bought into the EA religion. But from my understanding that on the net now, malarial nets were a net negative in the communities that they were handed on it. Sorry didn't think this through.

But anyway. 32, 000 for a transgender comic book in Peru. A lot of people, that one, that one appears to be legit with a comic book promoting trans ideology. 20, 600 for a drag show in Ecuador. That seems about what a drag show would cost to put on. No, no, no, wait, just one? Just one? No, I think it was a series of drag shows in Ecuador.

Simone Collins: I don't know. I mean, like, I, I imagine that, like, the drag branches that we've gone to, I think they just run totally on tips.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, so, but I mean, this is different because in Ecuador, maybe they don't want them doing this as much. So we got 80, 000 for LGBT Community Center in Vlava, Slovakia. Oh, so they get a building out of this.

That's great. And now everyone's gonna know that that's not gonna earn [00:25:00] us friends. What are you doing people? You don't get to promote your religion as if it's the state religion. This is horrifying. It makes people hate us. Okay. Next. And here we've got the BBC media action thing. So this is what I want to talk about here, because I think that this one it's been both oversold and undersold in some way.

So a lot of people are acting like we gave money to the BBC. We didn't give money to the BBC. We gave money to a nonprofit that was started by the BBC. And we gave them so much money. It represented 8 percent of their budget. It's like the BBC's core nonprofit arm. So, what they do is they train journalists in other countries.

On how to, and, and the BBC like freaked out about this. They're like, oh my God, this temporary halt in our funding is catastrophic for us and free media. And I'm like, okay, first of all, not temporary, not, this is not going to be temporary. If, if, the, the dumbest thing the leftists could do right now is forcibly through the courts reinstate all of this.

America is [00:26:00] gonna freak out if you do that. But okay BBC, which by the way, someone like a Gestapo, they'll go to George, you have a Netflix subscription, then you've got to pay us. I was under the

Simone Collins: impression that they are already forcibly extracting funds from British citizens. I don't think they need

Malcolm Collins: to make Dr.

Who gayer. I don't have problems with like whatever gayness used to be like, I don't have problems with like normal gays when I say make Dr. Who gayer. I mean, like, whatever the hell this is

아아

Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-9: And I'm all for, like, gay and trans coded villains, whether we're talking about Ursula, or Jaffa, or anything else here. I just don't want the thing that's threatening about them to be the fact that they come off like they constantly want to grape a child.

,

Speaker 17: Well, like, the poverty in Agrabah is super bad. I run into starving children practically every day.

Kids are [00:27:00] getting their hands chopped off, women are bought and sold, Yeah,

Speaker 16: yeah, get rid of piracy and establish world peace and social equality, anything

Speaker 17: else? No, no, no, wait, wait, hold on, I'm just, uh, I'm just thinking out loud. I want you to disguise me as a prince so I can trick the princess into sucking my dick.

Speaker 16: Uh, well, I I've got some rules, I can't make people fall in love, uh No, no,

Speaker 17: no love. I just want to lie as much as possible to convince her to sleep with me. I think she's like crazy shallow and won't give a s**t unless I'm marching into the city surrounded by jewels and slaves.

Malcolm Collins: Like, the modern Doctor Doctor Who used to be awesome, I really like Doctor Who, like, how did you ruin it so entirely?

Yeah, I think we're extra

Simone Collins: angry about it because we liked it, and it was great. Well, yeah, if

Malcolm Collins: they come on, and it's like, somebody are like, oh, you know, we messed up their Star Wars, we messed up their Doctor Who, like, why are they so angry about that? It's because you guys didn't care about this stuff, you didn't like this stuff, it's like, you bought our childhood home, and then, like, wrote Like, we hate you and s**t all over it, like, obviously people are going to take that personally.

When you destroy the games that we like playing, when you destroy [00:28:00] the studios that made the games we like playing, when you destroy the properties that the nerds liked, because the nerds, it turns out were not as much on your side as you thought they were, when you write your name and s**t all over everything they care about.

Which, you know, what was Star Wars Acolyte, for example. But the point here being is this organization basically does, like, remember how I was talking about that, like, non binary outreach in, like, Sri Lanka and stuff like that? They run programs like that all over the world trying to woke ify journalists.

That's the gist of what they do, and they're acting like they support local journalists. No, no, no, they do a little of that. But the core idea is is to support woke journalism in the developing world and around the world. And it is not something that I think a lot of people are even actually watching. I mean, we'll get to how few people some of these like millions, millions programs actually reached, and it's like not a lot of people.

So, another one that I thought was really interesting. Talk about something we don't care about is. Menstrual hygiene. So, so teaching girls in India they [00:29:00] spent, I think 7 million on this about menstrual hygiene,

Simone Collins: which is like, why, why are you just like every woman they've been around just dealt with menstruation,

Malcolm Collins: their argument here to, to stay on them is that they, in India, there's a lot of stigma to like talking about this Which I'm like, okay, that means that their culture has a resistance to this.

If you're out denying or imposing, I mean, what this is, is cultural imperialism. This entire thing is just a program of systemic cultural imperialism. Denying their cultural preferences, of course you're going to anger them, right? You're like, oh, but it's for the good of the women. Do the women feel that way?

This, the studies that have gone to try to look at USAID, like, actually increases opinions within regions have not shown that they do in overwhelming numbers. It does not appear that they are, which of course they don't, they're just ignoring the culture. What is the stigma other than that, right? Now another one I thought was pretty interesting was nine [00:30:00] million dollars that went to terrorists.

An Al Qaeda organization, and I was like, wait, what?

Simone Collins: Wait, intentionally? Or by mistake? Not intentionally. But let's

Malcolm Collins: talk about this one.

Simone Collins: Okay. Is this like the condoms that were given to people in Gaza and then they were used for bombs? Something like that?

Malcolm Collins: So this case involves a Syrian national named Mahmoud El Hafein, Mahmoud, it doesn't appear Mahmoud, Mahmoud, I haven't seen this one here who was charged with diverting over 9 million in U.

S. funded humanitarian aid intended for Syrian civilians, El Hafein, who handed a non government organization NGO in Syria allegedly directed food kits valued at millions of dollars to commanders leading al nashra front a and f a designated foreign terrorist organization affiliated with al qaeda in iraq the food kits were meant for conflict affected syrian refugees but al hafeen Reportedly sold them on the black market to a and F Commanders for his personal benefit.

The case is considered one [00:31:00] of the most significant diversions of USA aid diverted humanitarian aid. But, but, ooh, how did this happen? Like, I think a lot of people, they're like, oh, they're Muslims. We don't need to oversight this. Like, th this should have been caught way earlier. This is horrifying that this went on for as long as it did because there just is not a lot of oversight in these departments.

And, and you see this with the hatred that these programs get in other countries, right? If you are a Chinese organization or something and you're implementing something like this, the first thing you would check is, do people hate us for doing this? Is this being sold on the black market? Is this, you know, and they have nobody coming in afterwards checking on this stuff.

It's basically just like the money like machine for them because to them, they are doing aid or good, even though it's somebody else's money. They have no concept of that as we saw in that initial piece.

Simone Collins: But I think it's viewed from a very academic standpoint. Like it doesn't really matter if it fails because they've learned something [00:32:00] and at least they tried and.

They're trying to do the right thing, and I don't think, I think there's a large disconnect.

Malcolm Collins: I think there's a total disconnect in, in what happened one of the Saudi leaders, cause you know Trump made all of these headways in creating peace in the Middle East with the last administration, I think he's gonna cinch the deal this time, I think we're already seeing great things, very looking forward to the Riviera Gaza, watch our episode on that, that's a joke by the way, I don't think he actually wants to do that, it's a negotiating tactic.

But anyway

Simone Collins: For what it's worth

Malcolm Collins: Saudi Arabia, one of the leaders there, this is after Trump was in power. So he's not like buttering up Trump. He's like, you know, the Trump team did two really interesting things in negotiations, which allowed us to make all the progress we made. This was like piece of the Middle East negotiations.

He's like, first, like Trump was actually involved. So like we knew that we were dealing with somebody who had decision making powers and when Trump went to them, the first thing he asked us. He said it was a question no one had ever asked us before. It was, what do you guys need to make this deal happen?

What do you care about? No one had ever asked us before. Because these, these, these government bureaucrats, they have no experience making deals or thinking about this from [00:33:00] the perspective of the average citizen. Apparently, he said what they had always done before is the academics would decide what should be the right solution.

They would then go to the Saudis and say, how much money do we need to give you to make this happen? And of course, nothing ever happened. This is why and when we talk about like peace not happening in the Middle East, we're talking about people dying, being great to death, horrifying, horrifying stuff.

There is a cost to the intelligence of these bureaucrats. People are dying because of their actions. As as many people as they're saving easily. Because they are not solving real problems where this should be handled by other departments. That's core goal is either building you know, I think U.

S. Positive relations in these regions or you know, advancing the U. S. Is interest in these regions. Or I mean, that's the reason why we're giving it to you. I'm not against when people are like, Oh, you're against like the AIDS medication for Africans. I'm not against that. I'm against money being stolen to pay for that.

If you want to pay for that, [00:34:00] donate to it yourself.

Speaker 4: What exactly did you teach my daughter?

Speaker 5: Oh, you must be Mrs. Burkus.

Speaker 4: Lauren was supposed to do a paper on why government matters. This is what she wrote.

Speaker 6: It doesn't. Well said.

Speaker 4: Is this a joke?

Speaker 6: No ma'am, I legitimately believe that.

Simone Collins: I'm against, especially if you're less effective at administering it. Then I'm also against it. Like, for some people, you know, you can buy something for 5 and get 4. 85 worth of value. The problem is that USAID was buying something for 5 and getting 0. 03 worth of value.

And that's where I really Yeah,

Malcolm Collins: this could have been handled better. By independent organizations and, and so for everyone who's like, complains, like, do you want these kids to die? It's like, are you donating to save these kids now? No? Then shut the f k up, to be honest. Because clearly you don't care enough to make the sacrifice yourself, you care enough to force other people to sacrifice for it.

But to keep going here, I want to talk about something that a [00:35:00] lot of people have mentioned, which is the five million that went to the Eco Alliance, an NGO linked to the bat virus research at the Wuhan lab. So this is one that turned out like it looked not bad and then it was worse than I thought it was.

Oh my gosh. So the U. S. Agency for International Development, USAID, awarded 5. 6 million grant to EcoHealth Alliance in 2021. This grant was for implementing the conservation works activity in southwestern Liberia, focused on improving farming practices and sustainable opportunities. So I'm like, okay, but why is this so bad?

However, the award has been controversial due to EcoHealth's previous work with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and its leader, oh, who, who ran this? Peter.

So, people who forget who this is, he's the guy who it turned out was funding the Wuhan lab, and then was the guy who told everyone that the that this is a conspiracy that it came from a lab, and started all of the policies to crack down on anybody talking about it [00:36:00] being a conspiracy that it came from a lab, and what wasn't disclosed is that the core source, That the U.

S. Government was using for all of this was also the guy who had funded it all. So of course he did that. And so then he continued to use us taxpayer money to lie to the U. S. Taxpayers when he caused one of the world's greatest tragedy. Like this guy is like. personally responsible for Covid in a big way.

And then used U. S. Taxpayer money to try to hide that he should never be getting any money from the U. S. Government again. And yet here he is getting 4. 5 million after the fact. And we note here that 1. 1 million between 2009 and 2019 from USAID through the predict project did go to to the Wuhan lab and the work he was doing there.

Okay, so, bad. The guy who created COVID is living off of your tax dollars. Have fun, America. That's an incredibly bad look. Oh, wow. Millions of dollars of your tax dollars, by the way. The, and keep in mind, like, I'd actually [00:37:00] be okay if he's like, look, we messed up with this gain of function research. Like, I'd still be like, what you did was super bad, but at least when you recognized it came from the lab you were funding, you admitted it.

But no, you had people deplatformed, you had their careers destroyed for pointing out that you had done this. That is completely unforgivable once you recognize that it was your fault.

It is time for the Mad Scientist Society's Annual Most Evil Invention in the World Contest. Hear, hear,

ha ha ha! The most evil invention in the world is my shrink ray! My entry for world's most evil invention is the freeze ray. Okay. Who is next? Thank you.

Hi guys, uh, I'm um, my name is ,

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and uh, I um, and for the most evil invention in the [00:38:00] world contest, I invented a uh, a

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I beg your pardon, what? Um, Oh, I'm sorry, I'll speak up. Uh,

Microphone (Wireless Microphone Rx)-4: So I directed taxpayer money To the Wuhan COVID gain of function lab where they make the COVID virus both more virulent and more deadly.

And then when people started to suspect that COVID may have come from a lab leak, I got anybody who claimed this, using taxpayer money, of course, fired and removed from their jobs and attempted to ruin their lives.

um. So, uh, do I win the contest? I win? Seems like I win. Oh my god! My most evil idea was a blizzard in July. Right. Well, I went in a slightly different direction with the assignment. You built

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Oh my god, no I don't! How, [00:39:00] how do you even build a

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Oh, well, thank you very much. You see, the shrink guy, , is with me all the way. Stop saying that! Webster's Dictionary, defines evil as profoundly immoral. We know what evil means! Well, it doesn't seem like you do, because you built a, a freeze ray. I think someone should call the police. .

Malcolm Collins: 7. 9 million program to question in question is the media empowerment for this is a Sri Lanka one right where they're like, Oh, promoting like gender ideology in Sri Lanka.

So [00:40:00] what was actually going on with this one? So this had a gender and LGBTQ plus focus. Recently, MEND has released educational materials addressing gender and LGBT related topics, including a presentation on gender pronouns, encouraging journalists to avoid assumptions about gender identity and normalize sharing pronouns guidelines to using quote lgbtq plus sensitive language and reporting in quote advising against phrases like born a girl or born a boy materials on gender expressions and gender roles.

Simone Collins: What was this the piece? This really was just about indoctrination There's nothing here that's going to win you favors with the target

Malcolm Collins: No, no, it was about spreading a religion, like, it's insane, it is cultural imperialism nakedly and rawly, if you hated imperialism. But

Simone Collins: not even like the full U. S.

representative culture, like a very small cult subset of, of the American culture, that is so bad.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, but they're the good guys, and they're like, yeah, but we're good, and I'm like, [00:41:00] everybody thinks their religion is the good guys. But the rest of us have the common sense, I don't try to force my techno puritan beliefs on you, yet.

Because I don't have the power yet, I'm joking. I'm joking. We won't force them on you. Depending on the power differential between groups. But no, no, I never would because I don't want, you know, we do have an intrinsic belief in cultural diversity because if their beliefs are better than me, then they should be able to beat me.

But what beating you looks like in an economic context when I'm talking about my distant descendants. I think some people might construe as a level of economic disparity if they do as well as I hope they will. But the, the, when you look at how little people this actually touched, so if you look at all the people who were in their program, how many citizens did they reach?

Because they taught other stuff than this gender ideology stuff. How many citizens did they reach with this program? So for 7. 9 million, They reached 24, 000 citizens.

Simone Collins: Wait, I want to do the what is

Malcolm Collins: the per person math? Well, I don't really have hands. That's like well under what we hit on an [00:42:00] average of three videos.

Now keep in mind some of our videos go way high, but I'd say on like an average any week we're hitting way more than that for free.

Simone Collins: I had to do the math with one hand, but that's 316 per person. If you just gave each person 316 and were like, Hey, don't be a dick if someone has, like, a slightly different gender, I think that people would take it a lot better than this program.

That would be so much more interesting. Or just, like, literally have, like, 8, an openly trans person, give them a check for 316 each. Or let's just, you know what, maybe like 25, 000 goes to the trans person who hands out the money, because, right, they need to be compensated, right? So 25, 000 to the trans person, and then 310, sorry, 315.

I love that you

Malcolm Collins: don't even care about the ideology here, you're like, this is just so inefficient. I just, I mean, at least be efficient. At least be efficient. It only, it only works by stealing from us, [00:43:00] which now we're realizing they've been doing. This is why nobody bought the games. You should go to my episodes, like, why did nobody buy these games?

Like, a suspiciously low number of people bought, like, Concord and stuff like that. Why did nobody buy them? If, if this is a real movement. And now I'm realizing it's not, it's just a few Karens. In strategic places within organizations and a lot of your money your money your when I say your money It's your money at target, you know targets being sued now for this by like pension funds that put their money in them because they had lied about all the woke s**t that they were doing and they were like, oh this can't hurt.

Uh are are under You know our sales. It's only gonna help sales. When they should have known given the you know, Coors Light thing. Was it Coors Light? I don't remember. Maybe I shouldn't be It was Budweiser, Budweiser, Budweiser. Then everyone was the same company. Anyway, it doesn't matter. The point being is they, sorry, was I saying they, they, when Target does something like this, when a big company does something like this, that really only has power and money due to [00:44:00] institutional momentum.

That is stealing money from us, the American people. That is stealing money from our pensions when they lose money over, you know, selling, you know, trans stuff in the children's department and selling, you know, tux swimsuits for creepy people. Like, this is a, this is, whether it is the U. S. State Department or whether it is Target or Walmart or right now Costco, which I would say no one should shop at Costco anymore, they didn't drop their DEI department, they need to be, they, they,

Simone Collins: Wait, what?

Wait, hold on. I don't know anything about this. I didn't even know they had a D. E. I. That seems unlike them.

Malcolm Collins: They are one of the few companies that is refusing to drop their D. E. I. initiatives. I've heard from people we know who work there who are like, Yeah, it's so bad at Costco right now. All of these, like, diversity hires are being promoted over people who have been there for ages.

Nothing's functioning anymore. Go to BJ's. BJ's are the real company. Costco's evil. Also, I'm a big fan of BJ's. BJ's clean. They actually clean their floors and don't look like you're in a developing country. So, we got 3. 3 million here. That 3, [00:45:00] yeah, 3. 3 million. Dang. I thought it was less than that.

It went to being LGBT in the Caribbean through USAID. So I wanted to understand better what this org was doing. This funding is likely part of the USAID's efforts to promote LGBT and intersex rights in the Caribbean. It appears to be connected to, quote, being LGBT in the Caribbean initiative, which is a collaboration between USAID and the UN Development Program.

Oh, yay, the UN. So, Europeans, you're not out of this. The program aims to promote LGBTQ and intersex rights in countries such as the Dominican Republic, Haiti, Jamaica, and Barbados. Activities include supporting local organizations, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Basically making these countries hate us. And again, how is this, how is this aligned with any of the, any of your average American's goals?

Simone Collins: Yeah, the big layers of this are, one, just even if you 100 percent ideologically agreed with every single project of USAID, You would be angry about the inefficiency of its spending, too.

Malcolm Collins: And if [00:46:00] you want to promote this, spend the money yourself, man.

Simone Collins: Yeah, that, that as well, especially because it's not representative of all Americans.

And that brings me to grievance number two, which is that they were furthering the agenda of very specific cultural ideologies that is, are not universally held. In fact, it's a small minority of Americans who hold those views and they're spreading those. And then third, the, if the mission of USAID is to basically build social points.

With other countries don't do things that run contrary to those countries, cultures and norms.

Malcolm Collins: What I put out here is that this isn't even normal within gay populations.

Like

I look at like, you know, our network, right? And you've got people in it where people are like, well, I don't know, you know, these people might have some problems with some of the stuff you say, because they're gay, like Peter Thiel and like Mike Solana.

And I'm like, no man, like. For example, I know Mike Solana. Definitely doesn't have He does not want money! Mike Solana's not gay.

I heard he [00:47:00] is. But he doesn't make it his personality, you know what I mean? Like It's clearly not the personality of either of them.

So the Mike Solana being gay thing is really weird for us because, , we had a fan reach out to us and they're like, well, there's this guy, maybe you should have on your show. And we are going to have him on the show. , Mike Solana, but like, you should be. You know, aware he is gay and here we are like, but first of all, like Mike's a lot of like a friend who like I've known for a while and I was like, I didn't, I didn't know he was gay.

And that's what I was referencing here. And so then I went to check before this episode went live because I don't want to like call some random friend of ours game. I don't know. He's gay. Turns out. Yeah, he's gay. \ , but like, this is super stealthy gay, like his Wikipedia profile. \ , the only place it mentions that he's gay is, is at the very bottom.

It has him under the category of bay gay businessman

And I think that these organizations, they don't get it.

They don't get that like You know, Scott Pressler doesn't want this stuff. Your, your average gay doesn't want this stuff. [00:48:00] This, this, this because it makes people hate gays within these countries. When you tie like real gay people's identity to like trans story hours and like this ridiculous trans stuff where they end up specifically

Simone Collins: to versions of LGBTQ whatever ideology that are coercive and not about Yeah.

Having sovereignty over your own life. Again, that's where it draws the line. About forcing other people to act in a way that

Malcolm Collins: feels unnatural to them rather than you being able to live your own way this is going to cause these people to hate gay people and think gay people are preying on their children and like, this stuff needs to be, you know, I might actually just going forwards, whenever I read like LGBTQ plus just say trans.

Because it's not LGBTQ plus. They're never pushing. Yeah, it's,

Simone Collins: it's, it's somewhat insulting to like loop in all of these other groups with one group that is extremely different in function. And also in like, in the app, it's a very different ask among the trans community than what you get. I mean, like [00:49:00] gays, lesbians, asexuals, queers, whatever.

Like they just want to be allowed to live their lives. Whereas trans people want other people to not, in certain ways, allow them into certain spaces that they're not allowed into, like, that, that, it's a totally different game.

Malcolm Collins: And it's

Simone Collins: particularly

Malcolm Collins: hurtful to lesbians who are like, like, like, there's a category of trans people who's just like a lesbian predator.

Like, that's what they do. Their, their, their whole thing is trying to you know, corrective sex lesbians into, we used to call this corrective grape. And for people who don't know, growing up when I was younger, they'd say like, oh Trying to force a lesbian to sleep with you because you have a penis and that will cure them.

That's called corrective grape and it's really evil. And now there's like a whole category of like trans people online that's like, well, if you don't sleep with me, I'm a woman, right? That makes you a a, a transphobe. And so you should just try girl dick and then learn that you actually do like trans women, even when we haven't transitioned into look or whatever.

This is, this is a, obviously a hetero [00:50:00] male sex pest. I think everyone else knows this, but now they own this movement and can use it to, to pressure people in other countries, use it to you know, when they get this money, the orgs that are getting this money, they're the ones that are using this to turn like lesbian bars and enforcing them to let these people in and, and, and, and prey on lesbian women and the lesbian dating apps, as we've seen in like, Australia, they're not even allowed to say, Hey, no, if you don't pass, we don't want you on this app.

Which is. Yeah. Really sad. So yeah, I shouldn't, I should just be saying trans nonsense going forwards.

Okay. So, we got 14 million in cash vouchers here for migrants on the southern border. What was this about? This is one where I was like, okay, okay. What's going on here? This funding was allocated to provide cash vouchers for migrants at the United States southern border. The program has been criticized by some who argue that the this incentivizes illegal immigration and misuses taxpayer money.

And then they go, but no, no, no, no, it's okay, because this assistance, the 14 million, was part of a larger 1. 6 billion [00:51:00] aid plan, which included 372 million for cash voucher assistance.

And multi purpose cash assistance for an estimated 600, 000

migrants.

That doesn't make it okay. That doesn't make it okay. No, that doesn't make it okay. That's so much worse. That is so much worse. It's like, oh, so we were spending money from, we, the American taxpayers, were giving cash vouchers to migrants.

I love the left, like, people aren't giving them debit cards with money on it. Well, here it is. How much money do we have? Yeah, I always wondered

Simone Collins: about that. Is this that is this the debit cards for that's what this is 72 million for something that came up a lot during the election and like interviews of people who are angry and wanted policy changes with immigration and then I was like, but that can't possibly be.

No one's actually giving.

Malcolm Collins: So it says here, the assistance is provided through various means, including prepaid debit cards, cash in envelopes, bank transfers, and mobile transfers.[00:52:00]

So that's, that happened. And they, they, they acted like we were conspiracy theorists for saying this is happening. Okay. So here's one that really got me. The. Half a million dollars to promote an expansion of atheism in Nepal. So You know Nepal is a religious country, right? Like you're aware of that.

It's a it's a Buddhist country even if it's under the control of the Chinese government right now. It is still a buddhist state. So what did this organization actually do? The grant was originally titled promoting and defending religious freedom inclusive of atheists humanists non practicing and non affiliated individuals and they're like, we didn't know this was just gonna go to promoting atheism.

How could you not know that with that title? Okay. The State Department claimed the grant's purpose was to prevent discrimination against individuals who do not adhere to the predominant religious tradition, not to promote atheism specifically. However, investigation revealed that the grant recipient, Humanist International, HI, may have misused the funds to advance [00:53:00] the humanist cause and expand atheist networks.

The grant's stated objectives includes increasing, quote, capacity among members of atheists and heterodox individuals to form or join networks or organizations, end quote, which contradicts the State Department's claims that this was intended for neutrality. They are literally advancing the religion.

Of this minority cult in these other countries in every facet, whether it is the green energy, whether it is the wokeness, whether it is the atheism they do not care about polar promoting America's best interests that can be done by the state department that is done by the state department. It's not like people like.

Who is going to give money to other countries if USAID doesn't exist? A lot of organizations in the U. S. exist to give money to other countries other than USAID. USAID exists to promote a specific agenda.

Thoughts, Simone? That's the end here. That's it. That's all she wrote in terms of information. [00:54:00]

Simone Collins: It's been much worse than I thought. And I, I like that there's some talk of like, well, sure, we'll keep around. The 200 and something employees who are actually doing the job of USAID. And I think that really like the real job of what USAID was meant to be done can be effectively executed by approximately 200 people.

I could see a place for this. I'm also for Congress dissolving this entirely. Especially in light of must be dissolved at this point. Now, with everything that's

Malcolm Collins: come to light, it must be dissolved. The problem is that the executive branch can't do that independently. It needs Congress. And they can probably defund it.

Which so, okay. So it was created by an executive order and then ratified by Congress on two separate occasions. However, keep in mind, Republicans control Congress right now. So you're going to get a lot of pushback if they don't go against this. And I expect the good guy Democrats, like Peter Mittal, like that.

By the way, I've talked to Simone about this. We might do a different episode on this. Republicans are going to have trouble beating Fetterman if he ends up running [00:55:00] for general. He's really proving himself pretty strong here. We'll see if he can beat a Democratic primary. But he might, he might.

If the Democrats have woken up, you know. I think so. I think Fetterman represents

Simone Collins: the new viable branch of the Democratic Party. I

Malcolm Collins: do too, yeah, yeah, yeah. So. The people he didn't see. He did a big thing on why we need the mass deportations recently. He's like, but you know, we need this. These people are here illegally.

Like, do you not care about your citizens at all? He said that? Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's, he's based. But anyway, he had to, he had to get a brain aneurysm to be the smartest Democrat. And people here, they're like, why don't you go back to your old content? I'll tell you, there's two reasons why we're not back to our old content.

One is because freaking every day, something crazy new is happening in politics right now that I have to cover. But the second reason is, is because you're actually watching episodes. We generally record two episodes a day. And so you're seeing all the episodes that have to be timely, and all the episodes that don't have to be timely are going to be airing when I'm on vacation, and those are the ones that cover topics like philosophy and religion, because I can air those when I'm in the middle of a political [00:56:00] event.

So that's actually why you're getting so many political episodes right now. It's not that we're not producing the other type of episode, we're just not airing them right now. But Also, I'm just amazed by how much has happened in such a short time period. I, it really has been, yeah, I don't

Simone Collins: know if this has ever happened before, maybe in the very early stages of the United States when like, you know, there were like 10 people in politics.

But this is, it

Malcolm Collins: feels like a revolution. It feels like a revolution. It feels like, you know, people are like, oh my God something big is happening. You know, I said it feels like when I. Look at my government people. I know now like when SBF and It's the same baby and freeze whole thing went bust and the EA orgs were all like freaking out and scrambling It's like where's all the free money?

I was promised for for sucking, you know, the d of the urban monoculture and They were freaking out and I was laughing. And Now we are seeing this again. And I think a lot of them are like, oh my [00:57:00] god you guys Look, look, because you voted MAGA, now random children in Africa aren't being given shots to prevent AIDS, and I'm like, why the f was I paying for that?

Thank you for telling me that I had this subscription. It's like somebody's like, now your subscription to X has expired! And I'm like, I'm so I didn't know I was subscribed to that, can we can we get rid of the subscription? I'm all for helping these kids in Africa with your own money, not with my damn money!

And not with money that I want going to, I want The people in L. A. Because they're my countrymen. I want the people in in in these flooded regions. And another thing when we talk about like talking to other countries. This is something Simone and I were talking a lot about today and it really hit me. USAID's like, you know, where they hit, what was it?

Like 24, 000 people for like 7. 5 million. Right? Okay. You, my show watchers may be surprised about this, but only 55 percent of our audience is American. So what? About half the people who watch our show [00:58:00] are people from other countries who are getting their understanding, in part, of what Americans are like, what they believe, what this administration is like, from our show.

Speaker 5: let's go start a f*****g revolution. Take it!

Speaker: The entire world would be better off if these people were permanently removed from these platforms. Like, there is no downside and only upside to see people like Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, Tim Poole never be allowed to publicly broadcast their opinions ever again.

Speaker 5: Tread on them! Tread the f**k all over them!

Speaker: I don't give a f**k about anybody that winds up at any of these rallies and gets shot or whatever the f**k, okay?

Speaker 6: You gotta fight! For your rights! At home in such despair. Now

Speaker 20: Is free speech under threat in the UK? With the rise of arrests over grossly offensive memes,

Speaker 7: bussy. You gotta fight for your [00:59:00]

Speaker: If any U. S. university is discovered to have engaged in censorship activities such as flagging social media content, those universities should lose federal student loan support

Speaker 24: Ding dong! It's America, motherfucker.

Speaker: When users have their content or accounts removed, throttled, shadow banned, they should have the right to be informed that it's happening. The right to a specific explanation of the reason why .

Speaker 22: Yeah, you're right, man. I'll call the cops. No, no, no, no, no. We can't call the cops. That's admitting failure. Dennis, we gave people too much freedom. That's the problem.

Speaker 14: the United States, is but a paper tiger.

A weak nation, a weak people cowards! No longer willing to

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Speaker 13: Don't ever let me catch you guys in America!

Malcolm Collins: I probably reach about as much people as USAID uh, reaches in a positive light. Because the algorithm is serving this. People can say like, well, some people that hate your show. And I'm like, well, then the algorithm is not serving it to them. So whatever, right? The algorithm is serving this to people who like this sort of stuff, and this positively endears them to America.

And so whether it's in Africa or wherever if people are wondering where we get clusters, we get a lot of watchers in Latin America. We get a lot of watchers in Eastern Europe. You know, and I, I, I think that those are because our mindsets highly aligned with those regions a lot of watchers in canada too actually like seven percent of our watchers are in canada.

It's seven point six or something A lot of our not that many are in the uk. I was surprised by that But I think it's because they're all on vpns because they don't want to get arrested for for Having an independent thought I I feel for you brothers I feel like i'm talking to people in a in some sort of internment camp when i'm talking to the people in the uk an article on slate came out about us Yesterday, hating us.

Simone, talk about this article, because I loved your take on this late article. It was like, [01:01:00] how dare they?

Simone Collins: It's just like, will someone please stop writing about these people? And that the only thing that's plausibly interesting or that we've ever achieved in life is that we told people that they need to have more kids.

But then the author proceeds to, like, write about all this coverage about us, about our other projects, our books, and our school, and our podcast, and our non profit. And our religion! Yeah, it's just kind of like The only thing they've

Malcolm Collins: ever done is

Simone Collins: everything! Like,

Malcolm Collins: way more than

Simone Collins: most people do with their entire lives.

Why do people keep writing about this couple? I mean, like, also it completely glosses over that, oh, I don't know, maybe because demographic collapse is one of the most pressing issues of our time.

Malcolm Collins: And I'd point out to people who think, because a lot of people, they know us from like our show, which is like somewhat popular, but like not super popular, right?

Like, I'll be honest. I understand was like our YouTube and X following why people would be surprised. We are like the thing that I have a real talent for is making media stories go viral and [01:02:00] get a white audience. The Washington post piece that was done on us ended up being Washington post top piece read that day on the day where Trump.

Announced that he planned to annex Gaza and turn it into the new Riviera. We beat that story so we're we're very good Even though people are like i've seen this story before of continuing to catch the public narrative Because we do a new spin on it every time we work as a reporter every time on how to do that and the truth is is that the average internet user Has the memory of a goldfish, and so, when we're doing these stories, when we're crafting these stories, it's not to hit you, our general audience, it is to further pierce the public narrative, and to refocus what is pronatalism who are the pronatalists, are they all a bunch of religious extremists?

Yes. I mean, the articles never come off that way. I always try to get them to come off that way, but they use us to show that we're actually a much more I guess, inviting movement than people would expect, because one of the things we [01:03:00] always point out in this is we've got friends who are religious extremists, but we're not traditional religious extremists, we're crazy religious extremists.

Your kind claimed your flesh, as if it will not decay and fail you. One day, the crude farmer As that you call a temple will wither, for a machine is immortal.

Even in

Malcolm Collins: anyway, I love you to death, Simone. Any final thoughts?

Simone Collins: Nope. Just that this is absolutely insane. I mean, I'm hoping that the, that USAID is the warmup round. I know they're kind of looking at social security now and that, I mean, hopefully they'll move on to bigger and bigger things.

But the, I think USAID is a really good warmup round because it's not like, it's not touching any of the. Like major arteries, you know, it's, it's not, it's kind of floating [01:04:00] out on its own, doing its thing. 1 percent of the total us budget, essentially like a little bit less than that. So like to them it's, it must have been a really good test case to see like, okay, how are we going to be resisted?

How are people going to try to stonewall us? And I just

Malcolm Collins: always go over the most indispensable thing first when you're attacking progressives because that's where they will die. And so as the administration goes after other things, people will continue to focus on USAID because it's the most undefensible thing.

That's the way the progressive apparatus operates. Which makes it very easy to beat, and it was an incredibly shrewd move on Muskeem's part to start here. Because there is no defending USA. Apparently not when you dig

Simone Collins: fairly deep, it's Honestly, I just I would have expected more that they, Would come out, with, come out with stories about like the children that they're feeding, and like, the lives that they're saving on a daily basis.

And, the fact that we really [01:05:00] haven't seen, and I, I, you know I watch a lot of leftist coverage, so like, I'm, I'm waiting for it, and I'm just not seeing it, I'm like wait, where's my, like, Where is it my all

Malcolm Collins: the little kids who are going to die?

Simone Collins: Yeah, I mean, because I thought there was at least some of that.

I'm sure that there is. I'm sure that there is. It's just, I'm really shocked by like how little of this.

Malcolm Collins: Well, no, so the Trump administration is doing it right. If you go after the Trans opera. Even if there's a way to be like, well, the trans opera actually didn't work like that, and it wasn't directly funded, and, you know, we need to focus on the kids who are dying, leftists will attempt to defend the concept of a trans opera.

That is the way the game machine works. They are unable to say, Oh, well, that would be really stupid if we were doing that.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: I

Simone Collins: can't.

Malcolm Collins: I can't. It's tolerable. Which, by the way, they weren't funding

directly, but the leftists won't let go of this hot potato that's burning their hands.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Yeah.[01:06:00]

It's bad. It's bad, bad, bad, bad. Really bad luck.

Malcolm Collins: I'm, I'm sorry. And I'd be interested to see how this plays out. Because a lot of leftist influencers are freaking out now and maybe be getting, like, deplatformed. Like Hassan, who supports terrorists in the eradication of the Jewish people. So, you know, not a good guy.

Yeah, he's not. He definitely does. He has, he has repeatedly supported terrorist organizations and when people have asked us to denounce it, ask him to denounce them, like direct and he's had plenty of opportunity to you know, he supports October 7th, he says. Not even like, plenty of, of, of good people on both sides.

He's, he's like, it's a complicated issue, but they're heroes. Not, not but they're heroes, but he said that they're heroes on other occasions.

Simone Collins: Oh boy. Oh boy. Well. But I think that we've

Malcolm Collins: now got them to a position where there's got to be some,

Retreat. Hopefully.

Oh, speaking of the

school that you said was a Slate article, anybody who wants to beta [01:07:00] test that, please help us out.

Yeah. Love you to

decimone. You are my heroine. I mean that literally because you get me heroine.

She, she,

she's like, I want to learn to cook you. All of the things you love. She's learning to cook me heroin.

Sorry I'm joking. Can you cook me heroin? What are we doing today for dinner? Are we doing curry? You can do curry or you can

Simone Collins: do gyoza and fried rice. I'm making fried rice for the kids regardless.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, then I'll do gyoza and fried rice. Your gyoza is amazing. And you are We're trying

Simone Collins: the new one from that amazing Asian specialty store.

The fried rice? Remember? No, yeah, no, no. The gyoza. I make the fried rice from scratch. But the gyoza is from, you picked it out, you were like, I really want to eat it. Oh, the meat one! Yes! I want to do that!

Malcolm Collins: Oh, Andy. Oh, you are a heroine, Simone. Thank you.

Simone Collins: Well, I will I will start that and I love you very [01:08:00] much.

Malcolm Collins: We gotta get dumpling dipping sauce from them because I bet they have some really good stuff. We found this amazing, like, giant, giant, giant Asian store by our house. It was magic. It was magical. It is so magical. Everything's

Simone Collins: recorded. You can get everything there. And like, even like stuff that I used to have to order special, and like at any other Asian shop we'd go to, maybe there'd be like one version of it.

Like black rice is so hard to get. And they have like four different kinds of it. They have everything.

Malcolm Collins: Everything. So we go, and there was this location. I didn't even mean to find this place, where I remembered, because I was just driving to it based on memory. a small asian specialty shop where i would sometimes go to pick stuff up but it's hard because they'd always take us three things It was about the sign of like a small local grocery store.

You drive in and there's this new store here because we actually drove into the wrong area when we ended up doing this because I put the wrong thing I'm, just looking for the other thing This place is the size of a BJ's or a Costco. It's enormous. And if people are like, Oh, if you're in rural America, you can't get the good.

No rural America. You wouldn't get this in a big city. [01:09:00] You get nothing like this in New York or San Francisco or anything like that. Cause there's just not enough room. Anyway, love you to death Simone. If

Simone Collins: you live in our area, ask us about this place. Especially if you like any sort of Asian food. They've like imported like all the cookies, all the snacks, the chips.

Like they have brands of Doritos that you couldn't possibly get in the United States. It's like they're imported brands that are like pork flavored Doritos. It's amazing. If you want your fresh

Malcolm Collins: jellyfish, this is where you get them.

Simone Collins: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you actually can. It's, it's, oh my gosh, it's just the best.

It's the best. You can get fresh dragon fruit. I mean, you can get that at Whole Foods too, but like, not in Asian places. Even, even their

Malcolm Collins: produce is like, weirdly fresh.

Simone Collins: Oh, their produce is amazing. I don't know how it is. Just, it is the best. It feels like, like, like we're, we're always afraid it's going to disappear.

Like, like it's some kind of, it feels,

Malcolm Collins: it feels magical. I do not know how it appeared randomly one day when we weren't looking for it. And, [01:10:00] and we really needed tons of Asian food that day, because that was the day where you decided you were going to learn to cook me all the Asian dishes.

Simone Collins: And we got it.

We got it all right.

Malcolm Collins: Love you. Love you too.

Simone Collins: Bye.

Malcolm Collins: So Simone, I know, have you seen these anti Trump protests in LA? In LA? Yeah, everyone's going out with you know, Mexican flags to protest being deported, which I don't get. Can you explain this to me? This is, this look is like, wait, wait, wait. So you're mad that we are taking you from the United States, which apparently we have made so good that you don't want to be in Mexico.

You, you came here illegally, and you're protesting us sending you back to Mexico with a Mexican flag.

Simone Collins: Explain this to me. Maybe they are getting hyped for Mexico, which Getting hyped

Malcolm Collins: for their journey home, all expenses paid. [01:11:00] If it's like the Colombians, the presidential plane will come fly them back.

Simone Collins: Well, maybe that's, maybe they're trying to get Mexico to be a little more patriotic and get nicer planes for them.

I mean, it's good. Lobby for slightly better light conditions. So that would be that would be good.

Malcolm Collins: All right. So I'll get started here.

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