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i think that's why i've slowed down on the doors. The dooris actually let into gazers s wishes. This lunar calendar project, oh man. We could spin an entire pod castrit. That is one rich, deep project. And that's certainly something i'd love to to transition into. Nex is talk talk about that. Cause i was, i like, i'd mentioned the beginning the podcast, i'd heard about your work, and, you know, obviously o seen some your pieces. Whe it was like, that's cool. I need to go deep at some point. And then i watched the gazer's vidioan is like, oh, my god. This geeky in all the right ways. Was areally really awesome. So yet, whenever you're ready, i love to talk byt gazers, yes,

all il transition into that. So the doors, they led into gazers. So on. One of the pieces i was, i createdit entirely of moiray patterns. A moiray pattern is is a visual illusion where you have intersecting lines going different directions. So you have a pattern lines, and then they go a different direction. And they can, they can induce sickness to some extent, if they're done improperly, or the right way, whatever your intention is. But i crade one of these doors with all these moira patterns, and i thought it was just so beautiful. And the opportunity to work with art blocks had recently come up, and i thought, what i would love to make is something that expresses color theory. I've always had this idea, in all the years that i'm programming, cause, you know, when i make my paintings with my software, i'm making all the design choices, i'm making all the colored choices. But i've always been interested and can i take my understanding of color, and can i write algorithms around that? And so that was one of the impetuses ther're so it gazers is so rich and layer, literally and figuratively. So the impetus of creating this algaritm and then it started with me just working with door forms and these rectangular forms. And, you know, i wanted to create something also that would honor and reference. I've always been enamored with mark rothcoe's work. Seeing his work in person when i was a young man, it was very influential, just the way he would layer color so thinly. I got into working with very thin glazes of paint and, youknow, to create color also. And i like to do that in my work with layering the pixtles. I like to try to create, what's the digital analogue to to these really thin, washy layers of color, you know, how they add up. So i wanted, i wanted to crea piece in that tradition, right? Not referencing, not trying to create an imitation of rothcoe, certainly, but just, you know, if i could make something in history that would connect, but except in the digital realm. So the color elgram ell, i'll speak you through a little bit, doesn't have an intentit doesn't have the approach where i'm focused on the ending of the finish. And i think a lot of nfts with traits. They it's like, this one's going to be blue, this one's going to be red, this one's going to use this color theme. This one's going to use that color theme. What i wanted to do in my algorithm was create a conversation about color. I wanted the algorithm to actually be a thought process, to resemble my thought process on or cause i've been observing myself using color for over 20 years, and in, you know, a particular way where i'm seeing it in my mind's eye, and then i'm riffing on that, and i'm, i'm sometimes not co operating with what i see in my mind's eye, because that yields something else in my mind's eye. And so in the algorithm, i want that thought process to be there. I've noticed that there color relationships that can be computationa and that i have a tendency towards selecting, and i just take a ges on, you know, what's the percentage basis t that i'm making these choices, these different kinds of choices about going to different colors, which happen to be parts of different color harmonies. I don't think, personally, i don't think in terms of color. It is very instinctual for me. But i for this, i could create these computational ways of one of starting at one color and then reaching another color through a very organic thought process about color.