It's been a little over three years since you were on te show, and you commented that it feels like a lot more than three years. Karen: It has been three years of the most incredible ambiguity i've ever seen in my lifetime. I think if you pay really close attention to any information you receive, you can feel when it's clear. You get a viceral reaction when you're in the presence of ambiguity.

Get the Snipd
podcast app

Unlock the knowledge in podcasts with the podcast player of the future.
App store bannerPlay store banner

AI-powered
podcast player

Listen to all your favourite podcasts with AI-powered features

Discover
highlights

Listen to the best highlights from the podcasts you love and dive into the full episode

Save any
moment

Hear something you like? Tap your headphones to save it with AI-generated key takeaways

Share
& Export

Send highlights to Twitter, WhatsApp or export them to Notion, Readwise & more

AI-powered
podcast player

Listen to all your favourite podcasts with AI-powered features

Discover
highlights

Listen to the best highlights from the podcasts you love and dive into the full episode